– 59: Forgiveness and Feminine Power with Dara McKinley

Welcome to the Emerging Women podcast, where we hear from brilliant women leaders creating big change in the world.

I’m your host, Chantal Pierrat.

Today’s guest is my longtime friend Dara McKinley.

Dara is a thought leader in the divine feminine, an entrepreneur, and a modern spiritual guide in the art of forgiveness.

She holds a graduate degree from Naropa University in Boulder and formerly ran a successful private counseling practice.

Twelve years ago, Dara suffered a painful betrayal by a business partner that left her questioning herself. She asked the Divine Mother for answers and received an answer that simply said: Forgive.

At first, she was reluctant. But she began to research the art of forgiveness, ultimately developing a finely-tuned practice of forgiveness that allowed her to reclaim her personal power.

And, she says … you can learn how to forgive, too.

“I define forgiveness as a spiritual experience that heals betrayal,” Dara says in today's podcast. (7:00) What’s more, she says, mastering the art of forgiveness is key to unlocking your divine feminine power.
“Some not-so-obvious indicators that you may be in need of forgiveness are being very judgmental of others, being very judgmental of yourself, insomnia that has you worried in the middle of the night, and chronic anxiety.” (7:21)
Dara advises doing the “wince test.”
“Think of something in your life that when people bring it up or you think about it – just makes you wince inside,” she says. This is the area where you need to explore forgiveness.
Here are some fantastic quotes from my podcast interview with Dara:

“Forgiveness is not a tool; it’s foundational. Because the path to the feminine rise is going to involve loss and failure.” (10:08)
“The transformational process of forgiveness leaves you in such a stronger place than you ever could have imagined.” (10:45)
“The definition of betrayal is when someone or something you trusted fails you.” (16:08)
“Now, I use the word betrayal in my course to talk about anything that would benefit from forgiveness even if what failed you was yourself.” (16:41)
“Forgiveness is a function of universal love, and universal love operates even when there is no understanding and no empathy, universal love can still be accessed and applied.” (22:26)
“One of my big goals with this work is to evolve and create a working definition for forgiveness from pardoning offenses and ceasing anger to forgiveness is a spiritual experience that heals betrayal, that heals when what you trusted … fails.” (24:24)
“If forgiveness has your back then you’re invincible because no matter where you trip and fall and stumble, you’re going to be able to move forward in a really quick way.” (33:15)


In today’s podcast, Dara and I talk about one of the most challenging opportunities: self-forgiveness.

“Sometimes you need to forgive the aspect of yourself that gives you a hard time.” (8:37)

It never occurred to me when we started talking about this that the thing that I would pick to test this course would be myself. When I realized I was going to forgive myself, I feel like I struck gold.

Self-forgiveness goes way beyond having compassion for oneself.

It is:

A clearing out of what is holding us back. And an act of surrender and a letting go of that which does not serve us.

Self-forgiveness is an all-powerful gateway to personal power.

It takes openness, empathy, vulnerability, and receptivity – all inherently feminine strengths.

The truth is: We all have someone or something to forgive – perhaps even ourselves.

It’s not just about forgiveness. It’s about healing ourselves, others and the planet. And creating a future where empathy, vulnerability, and true feminine strength reign supreme.

It’s all a part of the Emerging Women ethos, so let’s jump right into this unique and fascinating conversation. Welcome to “Forgiveness and Feminine Power” with my friend Da…

– 57: Bring Your Whole Self To Work with Mike Robbins

Today we are talking to the first-ever male interviewed on our podcast: Mike Robbins.  And to quote Salt-N-Pepa: What a man!

Mike is a well-respected author, thought leader and speaker in our community. His fourth book, Bring Your Whole Self to Work, advocates a corporate cultural paradigm shift toward vulnerability — to both improve employee engagement and boost the bottom line.

Our mission at Emerging Women is not only to increase women’s leadership, but also to create a new workplace cultural paradigm that ushers in a more humane, feminine ethos of collaboration, empathy, and compassion. And Mike Robbins is a leading voice on that front.

During our podcast interview, Mike and Chantal explore an essential question: What if the workplace was not just a place to develop your career, but a destination for personal transformation?

In his latest book, Mike says that vulnerability — allowing ourselves to be genuinely seen — is the secret sauce to creating human trust and connections. Stemming from those connections is a feeling of “psychological safety” that leads to better performance, outcomes and success.

Mike is a sought-after speaker with corporate clients including Google, Microsoft, and Gap, Inc. to name a few.

Mike is a former professional baseball player who studied race and ethnicity at Stanford University. Growing up in Oakland, California, he was the only white player in his high school baseball league. Now Mike says he is no longer shy about speaking up on topics of race and gender.

In this episode, Mike and Chantal explore … what if the workplace was not just a place to develop your career, but a destination for personal transformation?

We discuss how a more feminine approach to business with collaboration, creativity, and connection – can translate into bottom-line success.

And we delve into the link between a team’s success and their feeling of psychological safety at work.

We also talk about what to say when tears come at work. 

Here is our compelling conversation, “Bring Your Whole Self to Work” with an absolute gem of a guy: Mike Robbins.

– 56: Redvelations with Sera Beak

Welcome to the Emerging Women podcast, where we hear from brilliant women leaders creating big change in the world. I’m your host, Chantal Pierrat.

Today’s guest is Sera Beak, who finished graduate school at Harvard studying comparative world religion and rapidly gained traction as what The New York Times called “a new role-model” for her generation. She was much in-demand as a speaker, author, and teacher for young modern women who she felt had been left out of the world’s wisdom traditions, when, as she puts it, “the universe slapped her to the ground.”

She realized the importance of finding and embodying her Soul, which we talk about in this podcast, and one of the things I most admire about Sera is that she walked away from all the lucrative offers and life in the spotlight in order to pursue her truth, so that she could more deeply contribute to this world.

Now her long-awaited third book, Redvelations, has just come out, and she joined me to discuss the difference between your divine soul and your human soul, and how one can guide you to complete the other. We also talk about the epidemic of soul loss, and how the body is truly the way home. So get ready to get open – we delve into some pretty uncharted territory as far as space and time are concerned.

It’s all a part of the Emerging Women ethos, so let’s jump right into this unique and fascinating conversation. Welcome to “Redvelations” with Sera Beak.

– 55: Can’t Keep Quiet with MILCK

Welcome to the Emerging Women podcast, where we hear from brilliant women leaders creating big change in the world. I’m Chantal Pierrat, your host, and today we have a podcast from a very special guest who raised the roof at our last Emerging Women Live event with her powerful song-writing, story-telling and movement-making.

Today’s guest is MILCK, aka Connie Lim, the artist behind the goosebump-inducing anthem “Quiet,” which captured the nation, and the world, when she premiered it with a live chorus in flashmob form at the 2017 Women’s March. Her song has since gone viral reaching over 15 million listeners all around the world.

In this episode, MILCK shares her lifelong journey from people-pleaser to truth-teller, and how she has personally worked her edge and overcome challenges to finally feel comfortable expressing the truth of who she is to the world.

We hear first-hand how she came to organize an incredibly impactful moment-turned-movement, rather than succumb to industry pressures to monetize the release of the single.

And hear MILCK’s perspective on how speaking out can play a healing role in transforming shame and self-blame, both for self and for others.

It’s all a part of the Emerging Women ethos, so let’s dive in and hear it from the singer/songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, and choir-builder herself. Welcome to “Can’t Keep Quiet” with MILCK.

– 54: Your Story Is Your Power with Elle Luna and Susie Herrick

Welcome to the Emerging Women podcast, where we hear from brilliant women leaders creating big change in the world. I’m Chantal Pierrat, your host, and today’s guests are Elle Luna, artist and author of The Crossroads of Should and Must, and psychotherapist Susie Herrick.

Elle recalls hearing David Whyte say, “There comes a time when you no longer want to be a part of the conversation that diminishes you.” To help women who are coming to the same realization, Elle and Susie have just put out the beautiful book Your Story is Your Power – Free Your Feminine Voice.

Today we’ll discuss insights and exercises from the book, including how we can identify the parts of our stories that are keeping us from our own bests interests as women, how personality typing (attention: Enneagram lovers!) can give us signposts as we uncover our true voice, and how the special, impactful magic that radiates around a woman working her edge can lead to a better future for all.

Ready to tap into the feminine to ignite transformation, internally and externally? It's all a part of the Emerging Women ethos, so let’s dive in and go deep. Welcome to “Your Story is Your Power” with Elle Luna and Susie Herrick.

– 53: Healing Through Writing with Jackee Holder

Welcome to the Emerging Women podcast, where we hear from brilliant women leaders creating big change in the world. I’m Chantal Pierrat, your host, and today’s guest has such a cool perspective on leadership and authenticity.

Jackee Holder is an executive and leadership coach, who helps high-level business people access the parts of themselves that live below the surface through journaling so that they have increased access to their own resilience, visioning, restorative care, and other strengths.

As the author of 49 Ways to Write Yourself Well, Jackee has many practices to share. Does journaling ever feel like homework to you? Jackee teaches us some ways to entice your muse to come play instead of giving her more boxes to check. She’ll share snapshots from her own multi-faceted, multi-media journaling practice for inspiration. And we’ll talk about the special power of trees to help us drop into something deeper with ourselves and each other.

This episode is all about expression and connection. It's the mainstay of the Emerging Women ethos, so let’s get to it! Welcome to “Healing Through Writing” with Jackee Holder.

– 52: MeetMindful with Amy Baglan

Welcome to the Emerging Women podcast, where we hear from brilliant women leaders creating big change in the world. I’m Chantal Pierrat, your host, and today’s guest is Amy Baglan, Founder and CEO of MeetMindful, the dating app for conscious and meaningful connections.

There’s a tendency in current culture to let the digital world act as a scoreboard for our worth as human beings. I myself may be guilty of letting the number of likes dictate my mood on occasion. Amy believes it’s important for tech leaders to upend that tendency by facilitating quality connections rather than quantities of connections.

In our conversation, Amy connects the dots that made her an entrepreneur on a mission to evolve the dating industry. We’ll talk about what it means to look for “mindful connection” or a “conscious partner,” and the benefits of practicing intimacy beyond the context of romantic relationship. She even shares how she’s changed the way she dates lately – which she believes will call in a much bigger love than she would have found before she shifted her perspective.

This episode is about to get real about mindful connection. It's all a part of the Emerging Women ethos, so let’s dive in and go deep. Welcome to “MeetMindful” with Amy Baglan. {Press PLAY above}


This episode is brought to you by our friends at MeetMindful. MeetMindful is revolutionizing the way we meet and connect with others in daily life by inspiring people to make meaningful connections every day, both on and offline.

Maybe you’re looking for long-term love with a partner who shares your core values. Perhaps you just want to meet a new like-minded friend to grab a coffee with on Saturday afternoon. The bottom line? You’re looking for people to connect with, people who get you. If you’re interested in meeting like-minded people, welcome to your new community. Visit MeetMindful today to start your free trial.



– 51: The E Word with Cate Montana

Welcome to the Emerging Women podcast, where we hear from brilliant women leaders creating big change in the world. I’m Chantal Pierrat, your host, and today’s guest is Cate Montana, who loves to refer to herself in the 3rd person, as you’ll see, because she’s all about exploring the E words: enlightenment, ego, and what it means to be a woman in a “skin-suit” searching for transpersonal consciousness.

You’re going to love this conversation if, like me, you love Eckhart Tolle, want to be one with the universe, but have kids or a business and can’t just sit on a bench for months at a time trying to let your human self dissolve completely. There’s a middle ground, says Cate Montana, author of The E Word. She’s here to share what she’s learned after years of meditation and study, and give us techniques, tips, and insights into moving beyond our stories and opening up to the truth of who we really are.

This episode is about to get real about awakening, self-improvement, and expanded ego. It's all a part of the Emerging Women ethos, so get let’s dive in and go deep. Welcome to “The E Word” with Cate Montana.

– 50: Brave, Not Perfect with Reshma Saujani

Today’s guest is Reshma Saujani, a lawyer and activist whose desire to be of public service led her on an unlikely path: from an unsuccessful bid for US Congress to founding Girls Who Code, a thriving non-profit and social movement that equips over 40,000 girls nationwide with the skills to pursue 21st century opportunities they may not have thought were available to them.

We talk about why it’s so important to build resilience in girls, and how they largely put their skills to use for community good. We talk about how to fight sexism in tech companies, and how to promote diversity in the workplace beyond quotas. And Reshma shares her insights for passionate women who seek to gain influence and power for public good.

This episode is about to get real about colossal failure and its potential to take us places we never imagined. It's all a part of the Emerging Women ethos, so get let’s dive in and go deep.

Welcome to “Brave Not Perfect” with Reshma Saujani.

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This episode is brought to you by our friends at MeetMindful. MeetMindful is revolutionizing the way we meet and connect with others in daily life by inspiring people to make meaningful connections every day, both on and offline.

Maybe you’re looking for long-term love with a partner who shares your core values. Perhaps you just want to meet a new like-minded friend to grab a coffee with on Saturday afternoon. The bottom line? You’re looking for people to connect with, people who get you. If you’re interested in meeting like-minded people, welcome to your new community. Visit MeetMindful today to start your free trial.

– 48: Feminine Genius with LiYana Silver

Today my guest is LiYana Silver, teacher, coach, speaker, and author of Feminine Genius: The Provocative Path to Waking Up and Turning On the Wisdom of Being a Woman.

LiYana Silver mentors women to unlock their Feminine Genius using intuition (before reasoning), feeling (before thinking), receiving (before giving), sensuality (before willpower), pleasure (before restriction), and collaboration (before competition).

In today’s podcast, we unpack the term feminine genius through the combined lenses of spirituality and science, specifically quantum physics. We talk about how to trust in the “death” part of the death and rebirth cycle, and how to express your authentic self without dying from your emotions. We’ll also hear why LiYana says women are like lightbulbs… can you guess why?

I am thrilled that LiYana will be joining us again at Emerging Women Live 2017 in Denver, CO. I hope you will be there, too, either in person or via free livestream – sign up here.

This episode is brought to you by our friends at MeetMindful. MeetMindful is revolutionizing the way we meet and connect with others in daily life by inspiring people to make meaningful connections every day, both on and offline.

Maybe you’re looking for long-term love with a partner who shares your core values. Perhaps you just want to meet a new like-minded friend to grab a coffee with on Saturday afternoon. The bottom line? You’re looking for people to connect with, people who get you. If you're interested in meeting like-minded people, welcome to your new community. Visit MeetMindful today to start your free trial.

– 47: Neurosculpting: Change that Lasts with Lisa Wimberger

Welcome to the Emerging Women podcast, where we hear from brilliant women leaders creating big change in the world. I’m Chantal Pierrat, your host, and my guest is Lisa Wimberger, founder of the Neurosculpting Institute.

Lisa researched neuroscience and created the practice of neurosculpting to heal herself from a trauma you have to hear to believe (it starts with being struck by lightning and gets weirder from there). Since then she’s brought the practices and process of self-directed neuroplasticity to help everyone from street police to working professionals down-regulate negative patterns of chronic or traumatic stress.

Today we talk about:

why the brain makes patterns and scripts
how neurosculpting can help you renegotiate patterns that no longer serve you
fear and free will
how to make memory an expansive fuel instead of a limiting cage
two simple practices to get your brain and body communicating as they work together to repattern your stress response

Lisa will be hosting the workshop “Neurosculpting for Leadership in the Zone” at Emerging Women Live 2017 in Denver, CO. I hope you can join us!

– 46: Pause with Rachael O’Meara

Welcome to the Emerging Women podcast, where we hear from brilliant women leaders creating big change in the world. I’m Chantal Pierrat, your host, and my guest is Rachael O’Meara who is starting a movement – the Power of Pause.

Rachael was a constant achiever who took on a stretchy position at Google which led to a lot of negative feedback: physically, emotionally, and from others. Rachael authored the book Pause: Harnessing the Life Changing Power of Giving Yourself a Break after she made the intentional decision to get more in line with her true self instead of beating herself up trying to force a life that was no longer working.

In today’s podcast we discuss burnout as a blessing, failure as feedback, and how to recognize signs that you need a pause. Rachael shares specific ways to pause and how to check in with yourself when presented with conflicting options so you stay true to your deep yearnings. And we learn about TASERing – a practice Rachael developed to help us mentally floss our brains of limiting false beliefs.

I’m glad you’re taking this pause in your day to tune in to our conversation “Pause” with go-getter turned power pauser, Rachael O’Meara.

– 45: The Real Real of Relationships with Esther Perel

Welcome to the Emerging Women podcast, where we hear from brilliant women leaders creating big change in the world. I’m Chantal Pierrat, and my guest is Esther Perel, here to talk to us about the always-compelling topic of intimate relationships.

Esther’s new podcast Where Should We Begin? in collaboration with Audible.com is striking a chord – it hit #3 on the charts, up there with This American Life – by taking conversations once reserved for the psychotherapist’s office and making them a part of public discourse. In this way, Esther is giving us the language we need to discuss the multitude of possibilities and options that exist for creating a thriving relationship in modern times.

When speaking to a couple, she invites them to consider the vast array of factors – both internal and external – that effect relationship. Desire and sexuality, yes, but also culture, class, longing, betrayal, unemployment, infertility, romanticism, illness, fear, death – all of life’s big issues are discussed openly and honestly to see what they have to teach us about the human heart.

We’re just scratching the surface of this endlessly juicy subject today, so Esther will be speaking at our annual event Emerging Women Live 2017 to delve deeper into the conundrums and complexities of relationship. I hope you’ll join us in October, and let’s start laying the groundwork now with “The Real Real of Relationships” with the dynamic and prolific Esther Perel.

– 44: The Power of Inclusion with Jennifer Brown

Welcome to the Emerging Women podcast, where we hear from brilliant women leaders creating big change in the world. I’m Chantal Pierrat, your host, and my guest is advocate and social entrepreneur Jennifer Brown.

Jennifer grew up in a conservative culture, and in college took a women’s studies class that completely flipped the script for her. She became active in social justice, driven by a desire to make positive change. While getting her masters in operatic singing, she literally lost her voice. She realized she was still meant to use her voice – not as a singer, but on behalf of others, working to help them find their own. She got a masters in change management and has recently written the book Inclusion: Diversity, the New Workplace & the Will to Change.

Today we’re talking about the inevitability of change, the prices people pay for being different, and how workplaces of the future can address humanitarian and social equality issues as we move through these turbulent times.

Let’s dig into this fascinating and necessary conversation, “The Power of Inclusion” with diversity and inclusion expert Jennifer Brown.

– 44: Worth It with Amanda Steinberg

Welcome to the Emerging Women podcast, where we hear from brilliant women leaders creating big change in the world. I’m Chantal Pierrat, your host, and today we’re talking MONEY, honey! Amanda Steinberg, founder of DailyWorth and WorthFM, has some juicy tidbits to share to help us flip the script around our finances so we can create wealth for ourselves (and the world) with clarity and confidence.

Amanda launched Daily Worth in 2009 to bring a fresh voice and outsider’s perspective to personal finance, and we discuss what led her to launch the women-centric investment platform WorthFM towards the end of this podcast. Oprah selected her for the exclusive SuperSoul 100, and Forbes named her one of 21 New American Money Masters.

Her new book, Worth It, tackles the issues around women and money because guess what, people: in the next 15 years women are going to inherit two-thirds of the 40 trillion dollars moving from Baby Boomers to the two generations below. A “perfect storm of opportunity” is coming, and Amanda wants to make sure we’re ready for it.

Whether you’re budget-averse or a fiscal hoarder, Amanda’s big-picture strategy of focusing on your net worth, knowing your Money Type, and identifying your roots and wings will have you breathing a sigh of relief as you roll up your sleeves and dig in to this money stuff.

Let’s hear it from the amazing money guru herself, Amanda Steinberg, with this week’s conversations: Worth It. Just press the play button above!
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– 43: Pussy Power with Regena Thomashauer

Welcome to the Emerging Women podcast where we hear from brilliant women leaders creating big change in the world. I’m Chantal Pierrat, your host, and I’ve got one word for you today. PUSSY. Say it with me. Pussy. Or just whisper it if you’ve got headphones on in public. Pussy.

Does it make you smile? Do you feel a little badass? Then you’ll love today’s conversation with teacher, author and icon Regena Thomashauer, who’s made it her mission to elevate the pussy to the true seat of feminine power that it is. Her new book is called Pussy: A Reclamation, and it is on fire. It thrills me to say that you can now read the word Pussy at the top of the New York Times bestsellers list!

Regena and I talk about why today’s culture needs women to engage with the “full gale-force winds” of their sensual and sexual energy. We discuss how and why women got so disconnected from their sensual power, and how to reconnect with a few of Regena’s favorite practices. As Regena says, “We don’t have to be victimized by living in a patriarchal culture. We can create the solutions with this divine, magnificent, body that is woman.”

So without further ado, let’s dive into this week’s Emerging Women podcast “Pussy Power” with Mama Gena, Regena Thomashauer. Just press the play button above!
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– 42: The Universe Has Your Back with Gabby Bernstein

Welcome to the Emerging Women Grace and Fire podcast where we hear from the brilliant women leaders creating big change in the world. I’m Chantal Pierrat, your host, and I want to know who out there is working with fear? If your hand didn’t shoot up, call me now, because I feel like fear is a universal reality among women who are playing big, creating change, and dedicated to living a life of personal truth.

If it’s not in the stresses of work, of stepping into our leadership, of owning our true selves, it’s in the fear-fraught news and media coverage of global events. It affects our choices, our decisions, and more than anything I created Emerging Women so that we can all know that we have to face fear to grow, but we don’t have to face it alone.

That’s why I’m so excited to have New York Times bestselling author and next-generation thought leader Gabby Bernstein on our podcast. She has written a book so timely – just its title makes me breathe a huge sigh of relief. The Universe Has Your Back is Gabby’s fifth book, and one she says she wrote just as much for herself as for her readers.

Today we talk about what she calls “her shittiest year,” and how she embodied the practices in her book to heal herself through it. She shares a few of those practices with us, including a powerful “reset button” called Forgiving the Thought and her 2 “go-to” steps for releasing fear-based blocks and becoming a joy magnet. Humility, connection, authenticity – it’s all here.

So get ready to become your own alchemist and transform fear into faith with the fierce and fabulous Gabby Bernstein.
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– 41: Redefining Realness with Janet Mock

Welcome to Emerging Women’s Grace & Fire podcast where we hear from the brilliant women leaders creating big change in the world.

I’m Chantal Pierrat, your host, and I can’t wait to dive in to this week’s conversation with the fabulous Janet Mock, author of Redefining Realness and host of the weekly culture show SoPOPular! on MSNBC.

Janet and I talk about her story as a “blueprint for life” for a young black trans person of color, how she defines courage, and what’s inherently bizarre about binary gender norms. We consider the power of “discussing things we pretend we’re too smart to like,” like trashy tv shows and celebrity gossip. And Janet just nails it down when I ask her what vision she has for those of us who are no longer willing to compromise what we know to be true on the inside in order to maintain the mask we put on for survival.

Hells yes. Let’s get to it – this week’s Grace & Fire podcast “Redefining Realness” with the brilliant and beautiful Janet Mock.
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– 40: Love Warrior with Glennon Doyle Melton

I am feeling my full Warrior energy after speaking with Glennon Doyle Melton. She is the bestselling author of Carry On, Warrior and founder of Momastery.com, and her new book Love Warrior launches in just a few weeks and without a doubt will be yet another best-seller.

Her writing is simultaneously hilarious and vulnerable – full of raw, unabashed realness on everything from addiction to motherhood to marital infidelity. And though “she writes simply as a way to survive,” she says, her words are powerful and resonate with readers who have found themselves “on the bathroom floor” in their own ways.

I love that she’s also a fierce movement-maker, full of outward action to help people in need. Glennon is the creator of Together Rising, a non-profit organization that has raised over four million dollars for families around the world through its Love Flash Mobs, which have revolutionized online giving.

Glennon and I talk about:

“Being Underneath” and the dangers of treating pain like a hot potato
The benefits of a tender, feminine faith that isn’t rule-bound
The feeling of being evicted from your whole life, and what comes next
How society colors the way we are able to give and receive love
How to view women as warriors rather than helpers


Let’s dive in to this week’s conversation “Love Warrior” with the self-proclaimed Recovering Everything: Glennon Doyle Melton.
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– 39: The Moonshot Effect with Kate Purmal & Lisa Goldman

I recently learned a new word that I LOVE: moonshot. It sounds so feminine, but with this deep undercurrent of disruption of the status quo.

Inspired by President Kennedy’s massive efforts to put a man on the moon, a “moonshot” is a barely achievable initiative that demands extraordinary effort and teamwork to achieve. It’s an initiative that’s definitely not possible with “business as usual” – you have to completely transform ways of working and collaboration and performance in order to make it happen. And the most exciting part? The widespread effects of a moonshot are often world-changing in a way no one could have imagined.

Kate Purmal and Lisa Goldman are wildly accomplished leaders who have many decades of moonshot experience between them. They’ve led, guided and inspired companies from Apple to Match.com through successful moonshot launches, and have brought that expertise to bear in their new book The Moonshot Effect: Disrupting Business as Usual, a step-by-step “How To” for moonshot projects, and also just an indispensable guide to leadership in general.

I had the pleasure of talking to Kate and Lisa to help us wrap our heads around the catalyzing topic of . We covered:

The Moonshot Effect and its radical ability to galvanize people into action around a world-changing idea
The stages, timeline and ripple effect of a moonshot
Two crucial practices of bold, outrageous visionaries
Tips for sourcing power from your body and language
The difference between being humble and being a courageous Hero-Maker


So let’s dive in to this week’s conversation “Moonshot” with chronic game-changers Kate Purmal and Lisa Goldman.
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– 38: Tears to Triumph with Marianne Williamson

Today my guest is Marianne Williamson, the internationally acclaimed spiritual author and lecturer. Six of her eleven published books have been New York Times Best Sellers. Four of these have been #1. The mega best-seller A Return to Love contains the famous paragraph, beginning “Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.” The depth of this sentiment is staggering, especially for women.

Marianne founded Project Angel Food, a meals-on- wheels program that serves homebound people with AIDS in the Los Angeles area. She also co-founded the Peace Alliance, and serves on the Board of Directors of the RESULTS organization, working to end the worst ravages of hunger and poverty throughout the world.

Her weekly lectures in New York City are available via Livestream on her website Marianne.com, where you will also find loads of other amazing content.

In Marianne’s recent book: Tears to Triumph: The Spiritual Journey from Suffering to Enlightenment she argues that we—as a culture and as individuals—have learned to avoid facing pain. By doing so, we are neglecting the spiritual work of healing.

In this episode, Marianne and I spoke about:

The age we are living in: “Age of the Choir”
How Depression is addressed in our culture and the transformative power of the Dark Night of the Soul
The barrage of meaninglessness that literally “bruises the Spirit” occurring in our world today, and how it is essential to heal the spirit on our journey toward wholeness
How miracles are actually thoughts and how to navigate our emotions
Forgiveness, and how it can be a bridge between our inner work and what we create in the world.


After we recorded this podcast, Marianne wanted me to pass along the important message to anybody taking medication for depression, mental illness or other pain:  Marianne strongly recommends that should you desire to alter your medication, or get off them altogether, that you do so under the strict supervision and consultation of your doctor. 

Here is my conversation “Tears to Triumph” with the fabulous torch-bearer of Spirituality: Marianne Williamson.
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– 37: Outrageous Openness with Tosha Silver

Today my guest is Tosha Silver. For the past 30 years she has taught people around the world ways to align with Inner Love.

Tosha Silver runs an online school called, “Living Outrageous Openness: Think Like a Goddess.” This school offers an ongoing way to support those who truly want to live these beautiful, ancient practices. She’s the author of Outrageous Openness: Letting the Divine Take the Lead and the recently released Change Me Prayers: The Hidden Power of Spiritual Surrender and the Audio Program, Embrace the Divine: Meditations on Spiritual Surrender.

Tosha was a featured presenter at Emerging Women Live 2016.

In today’s episode, Tosha and I spoke about:

Her journey and how she has become immersed in the work of the Divine
How the ‘everyday/mundane’ coupled with the Divine are actually the same thing
The distinction between mindfulness and being led by the Divine
The idea of ‘Surrender’ versus will, and how they can mean the same thing
Being receptive and identifying the signs of what the Divine is trying to tell us
Finally, we talked about how the Divine can shape your vision for the future


Here is my conversation “Outrageous Openness” with the wonderfully divine: Tosha Silver.
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– 36: Living the Heroine’s Journey with Sara Avant Stover

Today my guest is Sara Avant Stover, a teacher of feminine spirituality and empowerment, and bestselling author & founder of The Way of the Happy Woman.

Sara graduated from Columbia University’s all-women’s school, Barnard College. After a cancer scare in her early twenties, Sara moved to Thailand, where she lived for ten years and embarked on a decade-long healing and spiritual odyssey throughout Asia. She has since gone on to uplift tens of thousands of women worldwide.

A pioneer in contemporary women’s work, she’s the creator of the world’s first Women’s Yoga Teacher Training, Reversing Our “Curse,” and The SHE School. Her new book: The Book of SHE: Your Heroine’s Journey into the Heart of Feminine Power celebrates all that it means to be a woman, from mythological underpinnings to the cycles of our day-to-day lives.

In today’s episode, Sara and I spoke about:

Rhythm – it’s significance and power for women
The Heroine’s Journey vs. The Hero’s Journey
Her 5 steps of the Heroine’s Journey
Archetypes and the importance of the Crone
Learning how to navigate through “darkness” and how to “Turn on Your Brights”
The Homecoming


Here is my  conversation “Living the Heroine’s Journey” with the wise and powerful Sara Avant Stover.
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– 35: Should vs. Must: A Daily Practice of Following Your Heart with Elle Luna

Today my guest is Elle Luna. Elle is a designer, painter and writer. On April 8, 2013, Elle published an essay on Medium.com, “The Crossroads of Should and Must,” which quickly went viral. Within weeks, it was tweeted to over 5 million people and seen by over a quarter of a million readers. Elle extended that post into an illustrated, four color book, The Crossroads of Should and Must: Find and Follow Your Passion, where she explains the importance of mistakes, of “unlearning,” of solitude, of keeping moving and of following a soul path. She was also a featured speaker at Emerging Women Live in October in San Francisco.

In today’s episode, Elle and I spoke about:

Dreams: How to use them as signposts of what to go after in the “real world”

What Elle means by Should and Must, and how to make decisions toward Must

Her belief that there is a rise of spirit and emergence going on right now in the collective

How Must is not quite a decision, but rather… well, a must


Here is my  conversation “Should vs. Must: A Daily Practice of Following Your Heart” with the inspirational artist Elle Luna.
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– 34: Dream Big with Dr. Tererai Trent

Dr. Tererai Trent is one of today’s most internationally recognized voices for quality education and women’s empowerment. Distinguished as Oprah Winfrey’s “All-Time Favorite Guest,” Dr. Trent is a scholar, humanitarian, motivational speaker, educator, author and the founder of Tererai Trent International, whose mission is to provide quality education in rural Africa.

Rooted in humble beginnings, Tererai grew up in a cattle-herding family in rural Zimbabwe. Despite facing many obstacles, she never lost sight of her dreams for an education. She could not have imagined that her steadfast determination, hard work and belief in her dreams would eventually earn her multiple degrees and a prominent global platform with world leaders and international audiences where she leads the global charge in the fight for quality education and women’s rights.

Her new picture book, The Girl Who Buried Her Dreams in a Can, is based on this incredible story of perseverance. When you buy her book, a portion of the proceeds will go toward building a cafeteria in Africa that feeds over 1,200 students who walk 5-6 miles every day to attend school.*

In today’s episode, Tererai and I spoke about:

Her life story and how she kept hope alive during immense difficulty
The universal power of belief
What she describes as: “The Great Hunger” that fuels her passion to achieve her dreams
How she was able to step into her voice and the power of storytelling
Her ULTIMATE dream


Here is my conversation “Dream Big” with the incredibly inspiring and powerful: Dr. Tererai Trent.

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– 32: A Technology of Aliveness with Guru Jagat

Deemed the modern face of Kundalini Yoga, Guru Jagat brings a fresh perspective to this ancient practice. She is the founder of RA MA Institute for Applied Yogic Science and Technology, a premier yoga school with locations in Venice CA, Boulder CO, and La Jolla CA offering classes, workshops and group cleanses.

She launched RA MA TV, a new virtual media platform that makes Kundalini Yoga and yogic lifestyle accessible to people all over the world, as well as the indie yoga music label RA MA Records with a mission to trailblaze a new genre of music for mass consumption-in and out of the yoga space, on the dance floor, radio and beyond.  Guru Jagat was a featured presenter at the 2015 Emerging Women Live.

In today’s episode, Guru Jagat and I spoke about:

The story behind her name and what exactly she means by Kundalini
Why her spiritual technology is so great for women and why Kundalini is
Why she has brought business into Kundalini Practice
How women are hardwired to make a difference in the world
Waking up every day with a conscious decision of how you are going to live that day


Here is my conversation “The Technology of Aliveness” with the powerful and energetic: Guru Jagat.
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OK, hello, and welcome, Guru Jagat! How are you?
Guru Jagat: Doing really well, thank you for having me on the show today.
CP: I’m so excited to do a deep dive into the mysteries and the practicalities of Kundalini yoga with you, and your whole spiritual—I guess when I say “dharma,” that’s probably the wrong lineage, right?
GJ: No, dharma’s not specific to lineage.
CP: Right? The Buddhists don’t own dharma, right?
GJ: They don’t, they don’t. I use that word all the time. It means what you came here for and what you’re uncovering that you came here for.
CP: So I know that you have been on tour quite a bit, and you’re expanding centers and you’re traveling with your work. You were just in Europe? Am I right?
GJ: Yes, we were just touring Europe with RA MA TV and with some other Kundalini yoga—there’s a big Kundalini yoga festival that happens in France. We also took a huge group of people to all the mystical sites in a southern cave, which was a very powerful experience, like, life-changing.
CP: Wow. That sounds great. Kundalini yoga and the south of France—that’s something I would definitely sign up for.
GJ: Yes, not bad!
CP: Not bad, right? Why don’t we start with—because some people are listening and they’re like, “What is Kundalini yoga?” And I even want to go back a little bit—and maybe you can figure out the right way to talk about this, but your name is Guru Jagat. That is your name. And I would love to hear the story around that, and I think when we first talked, when I met you, you had such a strong energy. You definitely feel like you carry the weight of that name, to me, just meeting you. I didn’t know what to expect. But maybe you can talk a little bit about the background and how you came to be doing what you’re doing, and where your name comes from. And we can start there.
GJ: Sure. Kundalini yoga, at its essence, is a technology of sound. And I believe that we’re really at the very surface, scratching the surface, of what sound in this age of technology is going to open up for us—this age of space travel and the whole universe and our whole daily perspective, and also world perspective, expanding so rapidly.
So Kundalini yoga at its basis has this sound technology, which you could call “mantra,” but really it’s just these codes, these sound codes. So Yogi Bhajan gave names that were destiny sound codes, we’ll call it. So when he gave me my name, I was really young, and everybody else was getting—it was one of those moments where everybody else was getting Tej and Jot and Prem, these sweet, simple names, and then it came to me and it was like, [deep voice] “Guru Jagat.” [Laughs]
CP: Right? [Laughs] It’s like,

– 31: The Upside of Stress with Kelly McGonigal

Today my guest is Dr. Kelly McGonigal. Kelly is a health psychologist and award-winning lecturer at Stanford University. A leading expert on the mind-body relationship, her work integrates the latest findings of psychology, neuroscience and medicine with contemplative practices of mindfulness and compassion from the traditions of Buddhism and yoga. She is the author of The Upside of Stress: Why Stress Is Good For You, And How To Get Good At It, where she highlights new research indicating that stress can, in fact, make us stronger, smarter, and happier—if we learn how to embrace it.

In today’s episode, Kelly and I spoke about:

Her definition of stress and how it can actually be a benefit
The research surrounding stress and the idea of transforming stress instead of reducing it
Examples of how to transform the way we think about stress
Embracing the ‘Flow State’
How our culture of fear of discomfort holds us back.


Here is my conversation “The Upside of Stress” with the intelligent and revolutionary: Kelly McGonigal.
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Well, hello and welcome, Kelly McGonigal! How are you?
Kelly McGonigal: I’m doing great! Thanks for having me back.
CP: Great. It’s always so fabulous to talk to you and to connect with you. I’m super excited to get into this new material. One of the things I thought we would just launch in with was, the last time we talked, you had launched the book The Willpower Instinct, and you were working on the psychology and the science behind internal change. And I’m curious to see, just in your own life, how this work on stress has evolved from your first book and what your journey has been.
KM: Yes. So when I think about how all of the work that I’ve been doing—the willpower work, the stress work, and my work at the Stanford Center for Compassion, trying to help people cultivate greater compassion—I realize that everything I’ve been doing for the last 15 years or so has been about trying to help people accept inner experiences or life circumstances that they can’t really control. Whether that’s dealing with cravings in terms of addiction, difficult emotions like anxiety and anger or grief, or even how I got started, which was working with people with chronic pain, and finding a way to accept pain that you can’t fix or change or control.
And the funny thing is that, because of my training in psychology and medicine, I’ve kept one thing outside of that circle of acceptance, and that was stress. Somehow stress remains that inner experience, that enemy, that really was toxic, that we really did need to reduce or avoid or manage. And it took me until, really, just a couple of years ago to realize that everything that I’ve been saying about the best way to deal with and transform other difficult inner experiences—like pain and anxiety and grief—the same applied to stress. It’s a big mistake to spend your energy trying to suppress or trying to avoid, just because you find that experience distressing.
The same principles that I recommend for these other difficult inner experiences, of accepting and then transforming them, of using them as a catalyst for meaning or for connection with others, that same principle [applies] to stress. And it really took some of the science that was coming out in the last five years or so about stress mindsets to really confront me and realize that I had somehow created this enemy out of stress that was not serving people. We’re all stressed, and I think the idea that we could ever avoid it is probably fundamentally flawed.
CP: What is stress? I mean, you reference difficult emotions, and then there’s the whole physiology behind it. I’m curious to see what you’re calling “stress.” Is it a physiology thing? Or is it—
KM: Yes, it’s a tough question, because we use the word “stress” to basically describe everything we don’t want to experience. We will use the word “stress” to describe a delay in traffi…

– 30: Talk Rx: A Prescription for Connection, Health & Happiness, Part 2 with Dr. Neha Sangwan

Welcome to Part 2 of our podcast with Dr. Neha Sangwan.

Dr. Neha Sangwan, CEO and founder of Intuitive Intelligence, is an internal medicine physician, international speaker and corporate communication expert. In her new book, TalkRx, Dr. Neha Sangwan reveals practical yet profound communication tools that will strengthen your relationships, reduce your stress, improve your health, and save you time! Dr. Neha Sangwan was a featured presenter at the 2015 Emerging Women Live Conference.

In today’s episode, Neha and I speak about:

Desire: being able to articulate and get to the core of what we desire
The importance of clarity and the positive expression of what we want
How to change conversations with people who are not clear with their desires and the skills to do it
Vocalizing what we value and acting in alignment with these values
Neha’s 2-Step Decision Making Tool
Rewriting History, the importance of being vulnerable and how “Truth is Always the Answer”


Here is Part 2 of my conversation “Talk Rx: A Prescription for Connection, Health and Happiness” with the honest and wonderful: Dr. Neha Sangwan.
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Chantal Pierrat: OK, welcome back, Neha!

Neha Sangwan: Oh, it’s so good to be here again.

CP: Now, you are visiting your parents right now. What state are you in?

NS: New York.

CP: You’re in New York, OK. Are you on Long Island?

NS: Oh no, I’m in Buffalo. I live right outside New York in Williamsburg, but my parents live in Buffalo. So the whole family’s out.

CP: So this is a perfect opportunity to practice a little TalkRx.

NS: [Laughs] Family is always the perfect opportunity to practice communication skills.

CP: And you have—you said it’s your parents’ wedding anniversary?

NS: Yes, their 50th.

CP: OK, all right. Now’s the time. [Laughs]

NS: That is so true.

CP: Well, in our first part 1, we talked about your five-step process, which I think you call the i-Five?

NS: Yes, the i-Five conversation.

CP: The i-Five conversation. Maybe we should just quickly summarize the five parts, just for the listeners that might be coming in for the first time, even on part 2. And then we can dig into the part 2 of our podcast.

NS: Sure. The whole premise of the i-Five is that it’s five steps to having not just conversations, but honest conversations. And I think that’s where people get a little stuck. So I’ve broken it down into five parts, and the first part is your body. Basically, how our senses help us pick up information from the external world while we are simultaneously getting information from our internal world, like our heart racing, [our] stomach turning, all of that stuff that also is giving us information. And sometimes those two things are not in sync, right? So I’m saying “yes” but my stomach’s dropping. So that’s the body section, which is, how do you take in data from the outside world and inside world and have it sync up, and when it doesn’t, what do you do?

That data takes us to the second part of the i-Five conversation, which is your thoughts. So if I am in room and I’m talking to you, and my eyes tell me that you just get up and leave in the middle of a conversation, that’s data that I would pick up. I’ll make up a thought about it. I’ll decide that it means you’re not feeling well. I’ll decide that it means you don’t like me. I’ll decide all sorts of things. So the second step is around the thoughts we make up once we’ve observed the data from our body.

And then, depending on which thought I believe—if I think that you’re not feeling well, it leads me to step three, which is an emotion. So if I think you’re not feeling well, I might feel an emotion of concern or worry for you, for your health, how you’re feeling. Now, if the thought I made up was that I don’t think you like me or thought that our conversation was very interesting,

– 29: Sleep Your Way to the Top (and Other Myths About Business Success) with Jane Miller

Today my guest is Jane Miller, CEO and founder of JaneKnows, a career advice website, has spent three decades in the corporate world. For the past 20 years, she's become the highest ranking woman in every company she's worked in including Pepsi Co, Heinz and others. Now, she's written a how-to for millennials wanting to make it to the top – Sleep Your Way to the Top (and Other Myths About Business Success). Her new book is the go-to guide for grads, pre-grads and new execs, showing where it's easy to get tripped up, who might trick us and how to make it past the pitfalls on our way to the corner office.

In today’s episode, Jane and I speak about:

Women in the corporate arena and what challenges they face
Myths about business success, having confidence, and knowing what fills your cup
How to deal with difficult people in the business world
Jane’s Business Dark Night of the Soul and how she got through it
The one thing women can do to increase personal power and influence in the world


We hope you enjoy “Sleep Your Way to the Top (and Other Myths About Business Success)” with the accomplished and inspirational: Jane Miller.
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– 29: Talk Rx: A Prescription for Connection, Health & Happiness, Part 1 with Dr. Neha Sangwan

Today my guest is Dr. Neha Sangwan, CEO and founder of Intuitive Intelligence, internal medicine physician and corporate communication expert. She has written the new book TalkRx: Five Steps to Honest Conversations That Create Connection, Health, and Happiness, in which she reveals practical yet profound communication tools that will strengthen your relationships, reduce your stress, improve your health, and save you time!

In today’s episode, Neha and I speak about:

What she means by interpreting your body and then interpreting your thoughts
The importance of Self-Awareness and how our thoughts teach us more about ourselves than anything else
The 5 components of communication
Anger as a limiting factor in difficult conversations and how to overcome it
Slowing down to speed up: using awareness and understanding to resolve problems in communication quickly


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– 29: Creating Big Magic, Part 2 with Elizabeth Gilbert

This is part 2 of the conversation with Liz on Creating Big Magic.
Liz is the author of 2006’s runaway bestseller Eat, Pray, Love, which has sold more than ten million copies worldwide, as well as her most recent novel, The Signature of All Things. Her forthcoming book, Big Magic: Creative Living Beyond Fear will hit bookstands in September 2015. In Big Magic Liz asks the reader to embrace curiosity and let go of needless suffering. She shows how to tackle what we most love, and how to face down what we most fear. She discusses the attitudes, approaches, and habits we need in order to live our most creative lives.

Topics in this Episode:

Originality vs. Authenticity – how we should stop striving to be original and embrace authenticity
Complaining, and Gratitude as an antidote
Giving yourself permission to be creative
How Liz stays in touch with the divine


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– 28: Creating Big Magic, Part 1 with Elizabeth Gilbert

Today my guest is Elizabeth Gilbert.   

This is part 1 (of 2) of my conversation with Elizabeth. Liz is the author of 2006’s runaway bestseller Eat, Pray, Love, which has sold more than ten million copies worldwide. Her forthcoming book, Big Magic: Creative Living Beyond Fear will hit bookstands in September 2015. In Big Magic, Liz asks the reader to embrace curiosity and let go of needless suffering. She shows how to tackle what we most love, and how to face down what we most fear. She discusses the attitudes, approaches and habits we need in order to live our most creative lives.

In today’s episode, Liz and I spoke about:

How Fear can block creativity
The Fear we ‘need’ and the Fear we don’t
Being open to the “Yes,” but finding wisdom in the “No”
How inspiration promises us nothing
Hard Labor vs Fairy Dust and the balance that she seeks in her life


I hope you enjoy part 1 of my conversation “Creating Big Magic” with the trailblazer of personal voice and creativity: Elizabeth Gilbert.

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– 27: Becoming a Warrior Goddess with HeatherAsh Amara

Today my guest is HeatherAsh Amara. HeatherAsh Amara is the founder of Toci — the Toltec Center of Creative Intent, which fosters local and global community that supports authenticity, awareness, and awakening.
She is dedicated to inspiring depth, creativity, and joy by sharing the most potent tools from a variety of world traditions. She brings an openhearted, inclusive worldview to her writings and teachings, which are a rich blend of Toltec wisdom, European shamanism, Buddhism, and Native American ceremony.
She is the author of Warrior Goddess Training, The Toltec Path of Transformation and co-author of No Mistakes: How You Can Change Adversity into Abundance. HeatherAsh Amara lives in Austin, Texas and travels extensively around the world, speaking and teaching workshops.
In today’s episode, HeatherAsh and I spoke about:

Her background and how she was attracted to Earth-based spirituality and her concept of the Warrior Goddess
The Toltec Tradition and the 4 Agreements:

Be Impeccable with your Word
Don’t Take Anything Personally
Don’t Make Assumptions
Always Do Your Best

Dealing with the Inner Critic
Using the agreements to enrich creative and sexual energy
The difference between Intuition and the Mental Habits of the Mind

Here is my  conversation “Becoming a Warrior Goddess” with the Warrior Goddess herself: HeatherAsh Amara.
As her gift to you, download two free chapters of the Warrior Goddess Training book. And when you buy her book, you'll receive HeatherAsh's 11-day online Warrior Goddess bootcamp for free.
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– 26: The Art (and Power) of Asking with Amanda Palmer

Today my guest is Amanda Palmer.
Amanda Palmer is a rock star, former street performer, and a crowdfunding pioneer, who knows all about asking. Performing as a living statue in a wedding dress, she wordlessly asked thousands of passersby for their dollars.

After creating the world's most successful music Kickstarter campaign for her album with the Grand Theft Orchestra, she has written a book titled: The Art of Asking: How I learned to Stop Worrying and Let People Help. In her new memoir she tells the story of an artist struggling with the new rules of exchange in the twenty-first century and inspires readers to rethink their own ideas about asking, giving, art and love.

There are so many cool things about this woman – not least of which is her post-modern retro punk cabaret band called the Dresden Dolls. She is also married to Neil Gaiman, my favorite comic book illustrator and writer of all things. But perhaps what I love the most about Amanda Palmer is the fact that her nickname is Amanda Fucking Palmer – somehow it just feels right!

In today’s episode, Amanda and I spoke about:

The Art of Asking and how she learned this art
A constant theme in her life: balancing vulnerability with control
Dealing with the fear of rejection – and how to ask anyway
Relationship based communication and the need to still ask for help
The Art of Receiving as an integral part of the ask


Here is my conversation “The Art (and Power) of Asking” with the wildly inspirational: Amanda Fucking Palmer.
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Hi, welcome Amanda. How are you?

Amanda Palmer: I’m wonderful, how are you?

CP: I’m a little bit outside myself, because I feel like I’ve been stalking you a little bit. [Laughs]

AP: [Laughs]

CP: So I’m so excited. For the listeners who are tuning in here, this is my first time really talking to Amanda. I think we spoke for a half a minute prior to this, and I’ve been “reading” your book—I’m saying that in quotes here because I love to listen to books on audio—

AP: Oh, great!

CP: Yes, and I want to say that I’m promoting the audio version of The Art of Asking, because there’s so much in there that’s not in the book. I feel like I’ve really gotten to know you through it, and your voice. So I feel an intimacy.

AP: Yes, it’s really nice, as a musician, to put out an audio book, because that’s my medium. That’s what I’m used to, and it’s really nice to add the music and the songs to weave within the story. They really belong there.

CP: I love that you sang your intro. It was fabulous.

AP: [Laughs]

CP: [Laughs] It was so great!

AP: Thank you. I’m glad you like it.

CP: I just thought it was so unique, and you—just by way of full disclosure, I’m just going to get this out here now so we can get the stalking vibration out. I am also a huge fan—when I was in college, it was Love and Rockets and The Sandman. I mean, that was my deal. So [I’m a] huge fan of your husband, Neil Gaiman, and his work. And when I saw you coming forward on the fabulous TED talk, and I realized who you were, I was like, “Oh my God.” Can you be in love with a couple?

AP: Totally! If your polyamorous.

CP: Right? So I was in love with Neil, and now I’m in love with you, and the two of you together just makes so much groovy sense, it’s off the charts. I feel especially honored today.

AP: Thank you. It makes me really happy when people love Neil’s work, because I love him. And the really lucky thing was I wasn’t a Neil Gaiman fan, and I think that might have been a deal breaker. So I got to fall in love with the weird guy, not The Sandman author. [Laughs] I had to catch up.

CP: Right. Oh, great. What I thought we would start with today is maybe a little background on how you came into this work. I know a lot of this stems from your experience as a traveling musician and a performing artist, but the work I’m referring to is this art of ask…

– 25: Sacred Success: A Woman’s Guide to Authentic Power & Affluence with Barbara Stanny

Barbara Stanny is a former journalist who became a financial expert and a leading authority on Women & Wealth. With her background in business and a Master’s Degree in Counseling Psychology, along with her extensive research and poignant experience with money, she has a unique perspective on women’s financial issues.
The brains behind Overcoming Underearning and Sacred Success, Barbara is about pursuing your soul’s purpose, for your own bliss and the benefit of others, while being richly rewarded. Barbara Stanny’s new book: Sacred Success: A Course in Financial Miracles is a tutorial for taking charge of your life by taking charge of your finances, and not only growing your money but creating a deeper, richer, and more meaningful life.

In today’s episode, Barbara and I spoke about:

What she means by success and why many women fear their power
Moving through the 3 levels of Financial Development: Survival, Stability, and Affluence
The dangers of giving up our power
Common patterns in women’s personal finances and how to create affluence
Law of Attraction vs. Law of Congruency
Modeling Greatness and pursuing your purpose
The most important practice in her new book: Sacred Success.


Here is my conversation “Sacred Success: A Women’s Guide to Authentic Power & Affluence” with the great and powerful: Barbara Stanny.

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– Think Like a SheEO with Vicki Saunders

Today my guest is Vicki Saunders.

Vicki Saunders is a serial entrepreneur, passionate mentor and advisor to the next generation of change makers, and leading advocate for entrepreneurship as a way of creating positive transformation in the world.

Vicki is founder of SheEO. SheEO supports women who leverage their talents, strengths and passion to create businesses that build new models, new mindsets and new solutions for a better world. She is also the author of the new book: Think Like a SheEO: Succeeding in the Age of Creators, Makers and Entrepreneurs where she  shows readers how to leverage their talents, strengths, and genuine interests to create businesses that make them happy and successful.

In today’s episode, Vicki and I speak about:

The current landscape for women entrepreneurs
Her notion that ‘It doesn’t have to be hard’ and focusing on your strengths
Meaning is the New Money: the rise of making a difference as more important than making money
Actually having what you want and creating your own reality
Crossing what she calls the Fear Threshold
Her ‘big vision’ for women entrepreneurs


Here is my conversation “Think Like A SheEO” with the original SheEO: Vicki Saunders.
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– 24: Leaning Into Fear and Falling Into Beauty with Susan Piver

Today my guest is Susan Piver.
Susan is a Buddhist teacher and the New York Times bestselling author of seven books, including The Hard Questions and the award-winning How Not to Be Afraid of Your Own Life. Her latest book is entitled The Wisdom of a Broken Heart. She teaches workshops and speaks all over the world on meditation, spirituality, communication, relationships, and creativity. In 2011, Susan launched the Open Heart Project, an online meditation community with nearly 12,000 members who practice together and explore ways to bring spiritual values such as kindness, genuineness, and fearlessness into everyday life.
In today’s episode, Susan and I speak about:

How fear has unfolded in her life and how you can be confident and fearful at the same time
How synchronizing the mind and the body is the key to confidence
Tapping into the power and the beauty of fear
The careful balance of avoiding the “conceptual game plan” while still having action
A story of Susan's own emergence and how to see yourself through the relationships you keep

Here’s my conversation, “Leaning Into Fear and Falling Into Beauty,” with the wise and open-hearted Susan Piver.

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Chantal Pierrat: Hello, and welcome, Susan.
Susan Piver: Thank you, I’m glad to be here.
CP: Yes, I am too. I have lots of juicy questions for you that are relevant to my life, so I’m glad we’ve carved out the time. Let’s start with—well, we had such a great conversation the first time we met last month, and I just wanted to go in a million different directions. But today I want to talk about fear. You have a couple of books on fear, [including] Freedom from Fear, which I think is your most recent book, and then a book with a very interesting title, How Not to Be Afraid of Your Own Life: Opening Your Heart to Confidence, Intimacy, and Joy. And I know that one is more practical; Freedom from Fear is a seven-day meditation program.
But I’m curious to see, just in your own life, how this topic unfolded for you, and how it came into this—and you also have some audio that you’ve done with Jen Louden. So how did this come through you, and what do you have to say about fear?
SP: OK, well, I always feel like my biggest qualification is my own fear, because I just experience a lot of fear. I always have throughout my life and I still do. It’s something that each of us has to figure out a way to meet. And I was thinking of writing a book about meditation practice, and I wrote a proposal for that book. And in the proposal, there was a line that said something like, “Meditation is so awesome because it teaches you how to not be afraid of your own life.” And when the publisher saw that line, they said, “That’s the title.” So I said, “OK.” [Laughs]
It was very easy to gear the content around the topic of fear because meditation—in particular, I suppose, in the style that I practice, the Shambhala Buddhist tradition—is seen as a gesture of warriorship. And one of the fruits of meditation practice is courage and wakefulness and curiosity and joy. So those were the things that I wanted to focus on, and in doing so, also had to focus on why these wonderful, wonderful qualities are so difficult for us to find and hold.
CP: So right now, in The Atlantic—and I just picked this up so I haven’t read it—there’s an article, it’s on the cover, and they’re calling it “Closing the Confidence Gap,” just talking about even highly successful women are lacking in confidence in their jobs and in the work that they do, even though they’re seen and rewarded for their work and they’re outwardly recognized as being successful. I know for myself, building a business and feeling confident that I can create this platform that is Emerging Women, and yet the fear and the lack of confidence—it’s like you can be confident and fearful or confident and not confident at the same time. How is that?
SP: Isn’t that interesting?

– 23: Second Firsts: A Path to Deep and Lasting Joy with Christina Rasmussen

Today my guest is Christina Rasmussen.
Christina Rasmussen is a bestselling author, speaker and philanthropist on a crusade to change the way we live after loss. As the founder of Second Firsts and Life Starters both organizations to help people create a pathway back to life after loss, Christina has helped thousands of people rebuild, reclaim, and re-launch their lives using the power of the human mind. Her book of the same name — Second Firsts: Live, Laugh, and Love Again— is helpful not just for loss, but for all periods of transition in our lives.
In today’s episode, Christina and I spoke about:

The loss that she has experienced in her life and the new duality she learned about the grieving process
The dangers of becoming comfortable in “The Waiting Room” after loss/transition and how to come out of it
The difference between Transformational Lessons Learned Vs. Unwanted Mapping of brain patterns, and how to avoid the latter
Can you experience transformation without grief or loss?
Advice she has for those who are emerging out of challenging transitions

Tune in and listen to “Second Firsts: A Path to Deep and Lasting Joy” with the joyful and strong: Christina Rasmussen.
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– 22: The Power of Friendship: Cultivating a Healthy, Happy and Meaningful Life with Shasta Nelson

Today my guest is Shasta Nelson.
Shasta Nelson is a life coach and CEO of GirlFriendCircles.com (the only online community that matches new friends offline by connecting women to other local women seeking friendship in 35 cities across the US). Shasta is the author of the book, Friendships Don’t Just Happen! The Guide to Creating a Meaningful Circle of GirlFriends. As a former preacher, she still brings her spirited and soulful voice to every presentation and anyplace else where people are seeking healthier and more meaningful relationships.
In today’s episode, Shasta and I spoke about:

How friendship can change the world
Friendships as another outlet for intimacy
The indicators of a strong friendship
The advantages and challenges with distance friendships
Friendships in business

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Chantal Pierrat: Hello, and welcome, Shasta!

Shasta Nelson: Thank you so much! Happy to be here.

CP: I’m happy to have you. I’m just remembering the last time we were on a call. I think it was a couple of weeks ago. I felt like within five minutes that I was talking to somebody who was very soon going to become my best friend. I don’t know how you do it, but we just kept going. And even now, before the podcast, with our few minutes, I felt like I wanted to continue that conversation.

SN: Oh, I would love it!

CP: Yes, you just have a natural knack for friendship that I appreciate.

SN: Well, thank you. I think highly of you, too, because it takes two to connect and be present and show up.

CP: Right. Well, this is a subject that’s so important to me and near and dear to my heart. And when I was preparing for this, one of the things [I saw] on your website that really struck me was your tagline. It says, “I have a theory that friendship can save the world.” Maybe you can start and just tell us what you mean by that.

SN: Yes. I look around at—well, I come from a very religious background. I used to be a pastor. And in that world, we seek a lot of spiritual practices and going to church and reading the Bible. And then, of course, being here in San Francisco, it’s a lot more ashrams and yoga and so many different spiritual traditions that are just so rich and beautiful.

And one of the things I think about when I am every guiding anyone through anything or watching them do that is, “To what purpose are we doing that for?” In the Christian tradition, we always say that it is because we want to become more loving or more like God. In other traditions, we might use different words, but it’s really to become more enlightened and to become more at peace and to be more in love and to recognize our connections to each other.

And so when you are doing all these practices, it’s really for the purpose of engaging with each other and seeing each other and the value of each other, and recognizing the spark of God and the image of God in each other. So in my opinion, the friendships are where—that’s the gymnasium, that’s where we actually practice, that’s where we actually get to practice doing what we’re trying to become.

So for me, I challenge people. I don’t care if you’re praying all day; if it’s not making you a more loving person, I question what the point of that prayer is. And I question whether it’s working in your life. It’s really our friendships that we actually are—yes, I would call it the gymnasium. It’s the gymnasium for our soul. It’s the place where we get to practice forgiveness. It’s one thing to talk about it, [but] that’s where we get to practice doing it with people we’re in relationship with. That’s where I get to practice cheering for women. Even if I’m jealous of them and they have things I want, that’s where I get to practice compassion with the people who might make choices different than what I think is the right choice for them.

So it’s really in our friendships that we have the opportunity to practice being the peop…

– 21: Move the Crowd with Rha Goddess

Today my guest is Rha Goddess, founder of Move the Crowd.  
Rha is a cultural innovator and social entrepreneur who brings over two decades of transformational “crowd rockin’” in the name of social change. As a world renowned performing artist and activist, her work has been internationally featured in several compilations, anthologies, forums and festivals. In her 30+ year tenure as a creative organizer Rha has shaped the face of racial justice and equality, electoral politics, offender aid and restoration, mental health and youth and young women’s empowerment. Rha Goddess was a featured presenter at the fantastic Emerging Women May 2014 Power Party in New York, NY.
In today’s episode, Rha and I spoke about:

Her work with Move The Crowd and how she is creating a league of extraordinary creative entrepreneurs
What she means by culture, and how our culture is shifting to a more collective, creative and diverse expression
Working with the ‘Global Diaspora’ 
Limiting beliefs common among entrepreneurs and her 6 steps for working with them
And finally, her sage advice for the Emerging Women everywhere

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Chantal Pierrat: You’re listening to Grace and Fire, brought to you by Emerging Women. Today my guest is Rha Goddess. Rha is a cultural innovator and social entrepreneur who brings over two decades of transformational “crowd rockin’” in the name of social change. As a world-renowned performing artist and activist, her work has been internationally featured in several compilations, anthologies, forums, and festivals. In her 30+ year tenure as a creative organizer, Rha has shaped the face of racial justice and equality, electoral politics, offender aid and restoration, mental health, and youth and young women’s empowerment. With Emerging Women, Rha Goddess was a featured presenter at the fantastic May 2014 Power Party in New York, NY.

In today’s episode, Rha and I spoke about: her work with Move The Crowd and how she’s creating a league of extraordinary creative entrepreneurs; culture, what she means by culture, and how our culture is shifting to a more collective, creative, and diverse expression; working with the global diaspora; limiting beliefs common among entrepreneurs and her six steps for working with them; and finally, her sage advice for Emerging Women everywhere. Here’s my conversation, “Move the Crowd,” with the strong and powerful Rha Goddess.

Hello, and welcome, Rha Goddess! How are you?

Rha Goddess: I’m well, so well. Thank you so much for having me.

CP: Every time I talk to you, I smile and laugh before we even say anything. Why is that? [Laughs]

RG: I feel the same way! [Laughs] I feel the same way. I just think it’s the kindredness, you know? [Laughs]

CP: Yes! I’m just always so inspired by your spirit, which is interesting because you are an amazing business woman. You have this business called Move The Crowd—which we’re going to talk a little bit more about, and your philosophy—but you’re also a poet, a writer, a performer—a slam poet, nonetheless. In fact I was talking to one of our speakers, Dominique Christina, who’s the Women [of the] World Slam Poetry Champion two years in a row, and she said you started this whole thing! That you actually created this women’s slam poetry genre. And I’ve heard a couple people say that.

RG: I don’t know if I created it, Chantal, but I will say that I’ve had the privilege of being one of the early players in the field, and I’m so blown away to see the way that the movement has blossomed, certainly over the last 15+ years. And Dominique is world-class in every sense of the world. I’m so happy that you all are continuing to engage her through Emerging Women, and again, I adore her. Amazing, amazing.

CP: Yes, you know, it’s curious that you are, as an artist, as an activist, a humanitarian—usually when people are humanitarian, they’re sort of creative types.

– 21: Leading with Purpose and Presence with Gabrielle Bernstein

Today my guest is Gabrielle Bernstein, the New York Times best-selling author of May Cause Miracles.

Gabrielle Bernstein appears regularly as an expert on NBC’s Today Show, has been featured on Oprah’s Super Soul Sunday as a next-generation thought leader, and was named “a new role model” by the New York Times. She is also the author of the books Add More ~ing to Your Life, Spirit Junkie and the new book Miracles Now (published in April 2014). Gabby is also the founder HerFuture.com, a social networking site for women to inspire, empower and connect – AND, she is a featured presenter at the 2014 Emerging Women Live Conference in New York City.

In today’s episode, Gabrielle and I spoke about:

What she means by: “Everything happens for a reason”
Shining light on the darkness of fear with our sense of responsibility and purpose
Working with affirmations and always showing up with presence
Making forgiveness a practice
Surrendering and letting the universe take over


Tune in and listen to “Leading with Purpose and Presence” with the powerful and fierce: Gabrielle Bernstein.
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Hi, and welcome, Gabby!

Gabrielle Bernstein: Well, I’m happy to be here! It’s so wonderful.

CP: I’m so excited that we’re talking and that you’re part of the Emerging Women lineup this year.

GB: I cannot wait for that.

CP: It’s going to be great. You know, it’s funny, when I was looking at your stuff, I came across a video of yours. And I was like, “Who is this person?” I was just sort of getting to know you, virtually—stalking you—and I pulled up a video, and I don’t know if I shared this with you or not, but you were speaking into the video and you were kind of leaning in and you were talking about, “Everything happens for a reason.” And you were almost like—you were fierce. And I’m like, “Wow, this woman’s fierce,” and you were like, “A book falls off your library shelf, and it means something!” And I was like, “This girl has got to be part of Emerging Women.”

GB: [Laughs]

CP: But can you really explain that? Does that really mean something, if a book falls off your library shelf? What do you mean by that?

GB: We’re always being guided. We’re always receiving a tremendous amount of guidance. And the moment that we can say words like, “There has to be a better way,” or, “I’m not happy, I need help,” we sign an invisible contract with the universe, with God, with Spirit, whatever you believe in, and we say, “Show me what you’ve got. Show me a better way.”

And those moments when we sign that sacred contract and accept that invitation, we open an invisible door to receive all of this guidance. And a tremendous amount of guidance comes through in very unique ways. One of the ways is [that] the book falls off the shelf! Or we see numbers in sequence, or we hear exactly what we needed to hear from a friend who is just divinely placed to tell us that story we needed to receive. And so all of that guidance is coming to us and is always available to us. We just have to open up our awareness to receive it.

CP: And every single thing is meant to be in this way. Everything that happens is communication from the universe?

GB: Yes, we’re always in communication with the universe, at all times. I genuinely believe that if we’re in a low vibration with negative thoughts, negative actions, and poor eating behaviors and addictive patterns, then we’re just having the low-level conversation with the universe, and we’re attracted towards us what’s funky out there.

Whereas, it’s quite the same the opposite [way]: when we’re in a higher-level state, in a higher-level conversation and intention, we are in a conversation that’s very empowering with the universe. And that’s when we start to receive that guidance that we so need, and that’s when we start to receive the resources that we need, and that’s when we start to receive the support that we …

– 20: Crazy, Sexy Woman with Kris Carr

Today my guest is Kris Carr, the New York Times and #1 Amazon best-selling author, speaker and wellness activist.
Kris Carr is the subject and director of the documentary Crazy Sexy Cancer which aired on TLC and The Oprah Winfrey Network. Kris is also the author of the award-winning Crazy Sexy book series. Her latest books, Crazy Sexy Diet and Crazy Sexy Kitchen, will change the way you live, love and eat! Kris was a Keynote Speaker at the 2014 Emerging Women Live Conference in New York City.
In today’s episode, Kris and I spoke about:

What exactly is well-being, and how this can be different for different people
How the flow of grace and fire has affected her life and using happiness as her guide
Her shift from Health Guru to Women’s Emergence and Empowerment
The feminine component of resiliency
Using sexy as a strength that women can draw from

Tune in and listen to “Crazy, Sexy Woman” with the Crazy Sexy: Kris Carr.

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Hello, and welcome, Kris Carr!

Kris Carr: Thanks for having me! Hi!

CP: Hi! And I’m reaching you here now in Woodstock, right?

KC: That’s right. I’m at home in Woodstock, New York.

CP: Gosh. That sounds so amazing to live in. I mean, I live in Boulder, I think it might be a little similar, but I think it’s more rural out there, correct?

KC: Yes. We’re very similar. We just have much smaller mountains. When I came out to visit Boulder, I was like, “This has the same Woodstock vibe. It really does.”

CP: Yes. Except isn’t Woodstock really small?

KC: It’s very tiny, yes. Very tiny.

CP: Yes, I just picture you—on your website you have an image of yourself in an old, old truck holding a green drink.

KC: [Laughs]

CP: I’m just like, that’s the life! You know?

KC: That’s what we try to do out here in the woods.

CP: Right? So your first book—I remember when it came out several years ago—is called Crazy Sexy Cancer. And I know what’s crazy about cancer, and I’m hoping that you can tell us all what’s sexy about cancer.

KC: [Laughs] We’ll get to the short answer first. There’s nothing sexy about cancer. For me, Crazy Sexy Cancer came from two things: 1) there were mass emails that I would send friends and family, they were “Crazy Sexy Cancer” updates. And this [was] my way of showing my very frightened crew—because I was diagnosed with an incurable stage 4 cancer that had started in my liver and had spread to both my lungs. This was my way to update them and let them know that I still had my sense of humor, I still was the same irreverent girl, and that I wasn’t going to let cancer define me.

It was an important step for me to kind of poke fun at cancer, not take it all so seriously. It was also really helpful for the people going through the experience with me. Not everybody has that same experience, but that was my lifeline. And then later, as my journey continued to unfold and the years continued to go by with cancer, and certainly when I kind of came on the scene in a much bigger way, I used “Crazy Sexy Cancer” almost like as a definition.

And it’s a bit insane, so here we go: “crazy,” for me, that’s out of the box, forward thinking. It’s that kind of speak when somebody says, “Oh, that will never happen, that’s crazy,” and then you and I and everybody listening says, “Really? Watch us.” “Sexy” is empowering, and “cancer” is “teacher.” For me, cancer is my teacher. And so that really has been my way of going through this process, but also teaching others that are interested in my philosophy how to create a map for themselves.

CP: Now, there’s a lot of people, I’m sure, listening to this that haven’t read your book and they don’t know your background, but you actually were diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, am I correct?

KC: Correct. That’s right.

CP: And it seems that when we look at you and your career has exploded, of course,

– 19: The Rock and Roll of Feminine Power with Alanis Morissette and Tami Simon

Today's podcast features Tami Simon's interview with Alanis Morissette, recorded live at the 2013 Emerging Women Live conference in Boulder, Colorado. 
Alanis Morissette is a Grammy Award winning singer-songwriter, guitarist, record producer and actress who has sold more than 60 million albums worldwide. Alanis was honored with the EMA Missions in Music Award for her efforts in speaking out against drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Alanis Morissette has been acting on her strong beliefs for years—and encourages her fans and listeners to do the same.
Tami Simon is the founder of Sounds True, a multimedia publishing company dedicated to disseminating spiritual wisdom. Based in Boulder, Colorado, Sounds True has published more than 800 audio, video, music, and book titles along with online courses and events. A two-time winner of the Inc 500 award as one of the fastest growing privately held companies in America, Sounds True is widely recognized as a pioneer in providing life-changing, practical tools that accelerate spiritual awakening and personal transformation.
In today’s episode Tami spoke with Alanis about:

The balance between Yin and Yang and how this shows up in relationship
What that would look like to put the Sacred Feminine in the center of the music industry
Listening as an art, and not letting fear stop us from doing what we want to do
How Alanis uses the ‘nuggets of terror’ in her journal as seeds for her creative process
Alanis's work with Relationship First and her love of talking with people who are ceiling-less
And finally, how she sees the Feminine Movement moving towards Sacred Union


Tune in and listen to “The Rock and Roll of Feminine Power” with the Radical Women: Alanis Morisette and Tami Simon.
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Alanis Morissette: Hi! I want to thank Tami for being up here with me and having a conversation with me. It’s my favorite thing to do, as my friends can attest to, is dialogue and go and back and forth and see what’s actually happening in real time with you, with us.
Tami Simon: We want to make our love public.
AM: Exactly! [Laughs] There’s nothing better than that.
TS: Exactly. Making our love public. OK, the primacy of connection. I want to start right there.
AM: Let’s go for the jugular.
TS: Well, the jugular’s going to come later.
AM: There are so many jugulars and so little time.
TS: That’s right, exactly. 
AM: That’s part of why I’m happier here.
TS: Your journey to connection, being, at least in my understanding, the most important thing for you in your life. How did you get there?
AM: I didn’t get there; I think I started there. I’m a highly sensitive temperament. I’ve become more and more obsessed with self-knowledge because I’ve seen how empowering it and how it enables me to actually have functional intimacy with people. So I’m the girl that uses every tool of divination and wants to know what number I am on the Enneagram and wants to know—I throw my I Ching coins. I basically have wanted to connect with God, intrapersonally with my own self and with people my whole life. 
[It’s] to the point where, because of my hypersensitivity, when it doesn’t happen, in glimpses at grocery stores or wherever I am, it’s actually quite devastating for me. And I take responsibility for it and I don’t get upset at the woman who looks away when she’s trying to buy her watermelons. 
[Audience laughs]
AM: But I hurt. So I don’t know if that answers your question.
TS: Are there things that you do to invite or to magnetize to you the kind of connection that, as a sensitive person, really nourishes you? Is there stuff that you do, and what is it?
AM: I think it happens by default. I find that whatever energy I walk into a room with, the kismet like-mindeds find each other eventually. It doesn’t always happen, and sometimes I just people watch as a Canadian. Culturally—I’m going to do the broad stroke,

– 18: The Power of Receiving with Christine Arylo and Kristine Carlson

Today my guests are Christine Arylo and Kris Carlson. 

Christine Arylo is a transformational teacher, internationally recognized speaker and best-selling author of the official self-love guidebook, Madly in Love with ME: the Daring Adventure to Becoming Your Own Best Friend. After earning her MBA from Kellogg and climbing the corporate ladder for fifteen years, she chose to devote her life to creating a new reality for women and girls, one based on self-love, freedom and feminine power instead of the relentless pursuit of having to do, be and have it all.
Kris Carlson is an international bestselling author and a leading expert on love, success, grief, happiness, and parenting. She’s the NY Times bestselling author and co-author of Don’t Sweat The Small Stuff, Heartbroken Open and An Hour to Live, An Hour to Love. Kris has sold over 25 million copies of her books, and has been featured on national radio and television broadcasts, including The Today Show, Empowered Living Radio, The View, and The Oprah Winfrey Show.
In today’s episode, Christine, Kris and I spoke about:

Cultivating the feminine superpower of receiving
How to come from a place of openness, rather than a place of knowing and drive
Flexing your trust muscles and how to build trust over time
The importance of strengthening the nervous system
and finally, both Christine and Kris offer key practices for becoming more embodied


Tune in and listen to “The Power of Receiving” with the Superwomen of Receiving: Christine Arylo and Kris Carlson.
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Hello, welcome Kris and Christine!

Christine Arylo: Hello!

Kris Carlson: How’s it going?

CP: It’s going well! I want to clarify to the audience here, because we do technically have two Christines, so we’re talking here with Kris Carlson and Christine Arylo. So welcome, ladies!

KC: Well, thanks, Chantal!

CA: Yes, glad to be here.

CP: So we are talking today—we’ll probably hit a couple of different subjects here, but primarily, [we’re] talking about what, Christine, you call the “feminine superpower of receiving.” So maybe we could start with you and you could give us a little background on that terminology and why you think it’s actually a superpower.

CA: Yes, indeed. Well, I am imaging that many of [the people] out there listening, like me—and Chantal, I know like you, and also like Kris—we’ve been taught over the last several centuries to really value our ability to do over our capacity for being, to do more, to make stuff happen, really just a kind of like [growls], a kind of power. When we think about power, we think about things that are very forceful or you have to make it happen. It’s this very, “Go out and kill the meat” kind of mentality. “Go out there and get what you want!”

And that is one kind of power. But there’s this other kind of power, which I never really knew about until right about when I met with Kris Carlson, after I finished MBA school, after I finished that whole superpowered woman, Wonder Woman kind of thing. Because Kris, as it turns out, had been living from the feminine superpowers her whole entire life. She literally is the embodiment of feminine superpower.

And I remember when I met Kris, we had gone to this event together that she had invited me to. And we were in a big tent with all these people, and these people would come up to her and make invitations to her, and she was just very open and not having to make anything happen or figure out who she would have to go speak to or looking at the agenda. She was just very present and things would just come to here. And I’d be like, “How do you do that, Kris?” And she’d be like, “How do I do what?” I’m like, “That! That thing that you do when people just come to you and opportunities just come to you. You’re just invited in.” She’s like, “That’s just how I’ve always been.” And at the time I was studying the divine feminine…

– 17: Getting Spiritually Naked with Meggan Watterson

Today my guest is Meggan Watterson. Meggan Watterson is a spiritual mentor, speaker, and scholar of the Divine Feminine who inspires women to live from the audacity and authenticity of the voice of their soul.

She is the author of REVEAL: A Sacred Manual For Getting Spiritually Naked. She facilitates the REDLADIES, a spiritual community that encourages women to reclaim their bodies as sacred and to be led by the soul-voice inside them. Meggan was a featured presenter at the May 22, 2014 Power Party in New York City.

In today’s episode, Meggan and I spoke about:

What she means by getting “Spiritually Naked”
Acknowledging the shadow-side of our truth just as much as the light
Connecting with the Soul Voice and how to make this a regular part of our lives
The current Feminine Spiritual Revolution we are in and acknowledging the feminine


Tune in and listen to “Getting Spiritually Naked” with the fiery and authentic: Meggan Watterson.
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OK, welcome Meggan!

Meggan Watterson: Thank you. I’m so happy to be talking with you.

CP: Yes. I’ve been looking forward to this.

MW: I have to warn you, I’ve had an excess amount of dark chocolate, and I’m also wearing my sort-of truth necklace. So it’s going to be fiery. [Laughs]

CP: All right! Throwing it down at the get-go! I love it. OK. That’s my favorite. Well, I would love to just dig right in on REVEAL, which is not only the title of your latest book—which I believe came out last year, in 2013, correct?

MW: Yes.

CP: And the subtitle, A Sacred Manual for Getting Spiritually Naked, very intriguing. I was wondering if you could start there and tell us what you mean by “spiritually naked.”

MW: Yes, yes. Absolutely. Well, very simply, it refers to our capacity to just strip down to the truth of who we are. That sounds very simple, but sometimes it can take quite a process, quite a wearing away of the things that are no longer serving us, for us to then get to that place where we can just express an immediate truth in the moment, whatever it is that we really need to simply reveal the truth of who we are.

So it’s letting go of those ideas that are [usually] external ideas of who we are and who we need to be and what we need to think and say and do, which also extends into the spiritual practice of spiritual life. What I found in my immersing and emergence in the spiritual world was that there was a lot of pretense and expectation—that same cultural norm and ideal of being somehow perfect exist in the spiritual realm, too.

For me, what I really longed for was a capacity to just be fully human and also fully divine. I wanted to be able to be both. And that’s what was truth for me. Not one or the other. I wanted to find that juicy cosmic mix of being able to be guided every day, every breath, by the voice of my soul, by connection to the part of me that is more than me. And I wanted to be fed by a source of love that was inside of me and not dependent on anything outside of me. The love that is love that is love that is love—that love that renders us all equal. I wanted my life to be led my that.

And at the same time, I wanted to be OK with the unique paths and processes that I had to go through in order to get there and in order to remain there. So incredible heaped buckets and mountains worth of forgiveness and patience and levity. So often when we get into this idea of what it means to be spiritual, we take ourselves so seriously. And I think that can really be an obstacle and a hindrance to us really moving forward with being everything that we are. Because it’s important to really acknowledge that our voice and our soul has something unique to share in the world, but getting too stuck in the seriousness, the heaviness, the weight of it all can really slow the whole process down.

So all of that is really wrapped up in that statement of getting “spiritually…

– 16: Jump… and Your Life Will Appear with Nancy Levin

This episode's guest is Nancy Levin. For over a decade, Nancy has served as the Event Director at Hay House, producing and hosting conferences focusing on personal growth, health, and spirituality.
She is also a certified Integrative Coach through The Ford Institute For Transformational Training, and the author of a new book called: Jump… and Your Life Will Appear. In Jump Nancy gives a step-by-step guide to clearing the path ahead so you can let go and make the change you need the most. Through a series of effective exercises, Nancy walks the reader through their fear, ushers them up to the moment of jumping, and helps navigate what awaits on the other side.
In today’s episode, Nancy and I speak about:

The concept of Jump, and how this came to being in her own life
Her shift from projecting perfectionism to becoming more vulnerable
How to know when we are not aligned in our life
Getting to the root, uncovering Shadow Beliefs and transforming them into Empowering Beliefs
The idea of the ‘Graceful Exit’ and the additional work that needs to be done after we jump

Tune in and listen to “Jump…and Your Life Will Appear” with the empowering and courageous: Nancy Levin.

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Welcome, Nancy!

Nancy Levin: Hi Chantal!

CP: Hi! It’s so exciting to be talking to you today about your new book. For those of you out there who don’t know this, Nancy and I are actually quite good friends. Nancy lives in Boulder, so this is quite exciting for us to be talk and to be supporting her book launch at this point. It’s just so fun.

NL: Thank you!

CP: Yay! So I’m thinking that we should start with the title, and then maybe that will reveal more about your personal story and why you came to this. Jump … and Your Life Will Appear. When I first felt into that, first of all, I got scared, because I’m definitely one that feels like I need to feel safe before I do anything risky. And then the other piece was it was exciting, and [I] felt that it was perhaps the better way to go because no matter what, your life is coming anyway, so might as well jump in with two feet. So tell me a little bit about what you mean by the title, and how you came to this book.

NL: Well, the title really came from the concept that—you mentioned feeling safe, and most of us feel safe in certainty, in what we know, and then what already is. And what I’m asking the readers to do is take a bit of a reframe and realize that there’s actually much more possibility and opportunity available when you actually jump out into uncertainty. Because that’s when your life has the power to change and you can live into a new way of being in the world. Our present is really a culmination of all of our past choices and decisions, and so in the present, we have the power to change our future by making different choices and different decisions.

So in my own personal story, my Jump that weaves throughout the book is leaving an 18-year marriage. And for me, it was devastating. It was terrifying. It was unfathomable for a really long time, until I actually took the steps that are in this book. It wasn’t until after I was on the other side of it that I was able to look back and see, “Oh, here are the things I actually did that got me through this,” and then realize that they were actually applicable to other people in any other major change that they were making, whether it was changing a job or whether it was moving to a new city.

And so it was important to me to document my own journey that way. So my story really began in that I was—even though in the outside world, I was projecting this image of perfection, and my motto had been, “Never let them see you sweat,” and I had been managing the perceptions of others and everyone thought I was happy and perfect and had this perfect marriage, and all of this, the truth was that things were really crumbling inside for me and in my home life.

– 14: Freeing Girls from a Culture of Perfectionism with Eliza Reynolds

This episode's guest is Eliza Reynolds. Eliza is a senior at Brown University where she is studying developmental and social psychology & Gender Studies.
Eliza was a peer-counselor throughout high school and an S.O.S. trained educator for Planned Parenthood. She continued to use these skills working in Providence city schools as a sexual health educator. Eliza has recently co-authored a book titled: Mothering and Daughtering: How to Create a Deep and Enduring Relationship Through the Teen Years with her mother Sil Reynolds. Eliza was a featured presenter at the 2013 Emerging Women Live Conference in Boulder, CO.
In this episode of Grace & Fire, Eliza and I speak about:

Perfectionism and her battle with her inner critic
How perfectionism isolates us as women and how she recommends to break these walls
Advice for Moms to help their daughters cultivate self-acceptance of their bodies
A final piece of wisdom for girls who are facing their inner critics

Tune in and listen to Freeing Girls from a Culture of Perfectionism with the young and insightful: Eliza Reynolds.

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Chantal Pierrat: Welcome, Eliza!

Eliza Reynolds: Well, thank you, Chantal!

CP: Now, tell us where you are right now.

ER: I am in Providence, Rhode Island. It is drizzling outside [and] that typical New England fog that’s settling in. I’m at school at Brown University, finishing up my senior year, and I’m curled up on my couch with my candle and my mug of tea. I’m so excited to be here talking to you.

CP: Nice! Now, you’re in your senior year, and you also just published a book that you co-wrote with your mother.

ER: Yes, ma’am, I did.

CP: And you also are launching, I believe, a website.

ER: Yes, I am. TheWholeGirl.com is the new beginning that I’m really excited about. I come from a background of teaching—actually, we’re in our eighth year of teaching together, my mother and I, and I’m 22, so that’s pretty exciting to have had this legacy of teaching behind us and really be heading into innovating material together as a mother-daughter team.

But as a senior [who’s] graduating, I’m launching my own work, The Whole Girl, which is looking at wholeness versus perfectionism, specifically in teenage girls today. But, gosh, our inner teenage girls never truly leave us. Even though I may be 22, I still feel pretty tied in, and I know, for example, women like my mother do as well.

So it’s for the whole girl in all of us, really. And [it’s about] looking at wholeness as an alternative model to perfectionism and to a pretty rapid and dangerous culture of perfectionism that often gets masked behind other standards or other goals that can be very dangerous. And [it’s about] looking at ways that we can see ourselves live as whole entities, whether it’s not just as a value of our bodies as the center of our identities—where we ourselves look at ourselves in wholeness and work to live for and towards wholeness as an experience.

CP: And do you have personal experience with perfectionism? Do you feel like you’ve been a perfectionist?

ER: Oh, yes ma’am! [Laughs] Oh gosh, yes. I can definitely say perfectionism has been one of my inner demons, among other things. Different traditions call it different things, whether it’s the super ego, to be Freudian, or the inner critic is definitely one, a phrase that speaks very powerfully to me, or if you look at it in Jungian psychology, often we hear the voice of the inner negative mother or the inner negative father. And for me, it’s been a pretty consistent cohabitant of my brain. And I would say that my inner critic, in many ways, has served me [by] kicking my own ass into gear in one of the most awesome ways.

And yet, there came a time that my inner critic was truly running the show, and that I was living in a place where I was being negatively driven from moment to moment, from achievement to achievement,

– 13: Marketing with Intention and Integrity with Christine Kane

This episode's guest is Christine Kane. Christine is known as the Mentor to People Who are Changing the World.
She is the president and founder of Uplevel You™, a million-dollar company committed to the growth and empowerment of entrepreneurs and creatives around the globe through teaching not only high-level cutting-edge authentic marketing and business strategies, but also transformational techniques to shift mindsets and wealth. After 15 years in a successful career as a popular songwriter and performer, Christine shifted her focus so that she could provide a deeper level of service to other creative entrepreneurs. Christine was a featured presenter at the 2013 Emerging Women Live Conference in Boulder, CO.
In this episode of Grace & Fire, Christine and I speak about:

Her transition from music to being a mentor/business coach
Treating Business like Art
The Power of Communicating “Your Story” and how to avoid traps when sharing it
Clean Selling and aligning with true intention while not letting assumptions rule
Imperfect action and the benefit of taking small steps

Tune in and listen to Marketing with Intention and Integrity with the Rock Star Business Woman: Christine Kane.

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Chantal Pierrat: Hello, Christine!

Christine Kane: Hey, how are you?

CP: Welcome!

CK: Well thanks for having me. [I’m] really excited.

CP: Yes, I can’t believe it’s been over a month since the event. It was so great to get to know you and to see the other side of Christine Kane, behind the curtain, which is actually the same as what I always imagined you to be.

CK: [Laughs] Well, thank you. It was just such a great event, and I’ve just been talking about it to everybody. It’s going to be huger next year than it was this year!

CP: Yes! I’m totally pumped for it. You know, what’s interesting is that when I first discovered you—and the reason I’m saying [this is to] see the truth of who you are—I discovered you through your music. And I was thinking, “Oh, she would be a great singer for Emerging Women.” And it took me a little while to realize, “No, this woman’s also a business mentor.”

So I would love to hear a little bit more about how that was a transition for you, because as far as I can see in your business, you’re very much like who I saw and got to know through the internet on your music. It’s not like you have two different personas, it’s the same. And those two categories—mentoring and business coaching and being basically, can we call you a rock ‘n’ roll star? Because I actually feel like you can fit into that category. The two seem to be mutually exclusive, so maybe you could start there and tell us about your background and how you came to where you are now.

CK: It’s funny you say that. For a while I said that, “Oh my God, it’s very different, I should hide the fact that I played music because that will make people question my ability as a business owner.” But any artist knows that in order to do what you want to do, especially now, you have to know that you have a business and you have to treat your art like a business.

I actually believe that business is an art. And when you look at some of what I learned in the world of songwriting, if I was to sit you down and really talk about it, it’s amazing how much it links in with a lot of the lessons I’ve had to learn with business. Now, with that said, it’s very different now that I’m running a company and we have a team, and I am stretching muscles that I never thought I would have to stretch. But I really do with that I had done more of this and really stretched this out a little bit more because I think I would have been able to do even more with my music at the time.

So how the transition happened, though, wasn’t so much that I was like, “I’m going to go in and be in business.” When I was performing, I was pretty clear early on [about] not just becoming a musician.

– 12: The Right-Brain Business Plan with Jennifer Lee

This episode’s guest is Jennifer Lee. Jennifer is the founder of Artizen Coaching and the award-winning author of The Right-Brain Business Plan.
Her bestselling book has helped thousands of entrepreneurs worldwide grow their businesses authentically and creatively. She has more than 50 licensed facilitators who lead Right-Brain Business Plan® workshops nationally and internationally. She received her coaching certification and leadership training through the prestigious Coaches Training Institute and holds an M.A. in Communication Management from USC. Jennifer was a featured presenter at the 2013 Emerging Women Live Conference in Boulder, CO.
In this episode, Jennifer and I speak about:

The Right-Brain Business Plan: What it is and how it can help entrepreneurs create and realize their goals
The power of thinking creatively in the planning stages
The importance of community for the entrepreneur
Limiting Beliefs and how to work around them
The importance of self-compassion when going after big dreams

Tune in and listen to Right-Brain Business Planning with the Creative Business Leader: Jennifer Lee.

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Chantal Pierrat: Welcome, Jennifer. It’s great to have you today.

Jennifer Lee: Oh, I’m so excited to be here with you, Chantal. Thank you!

CP: Let’s dig in to the Right-Brain Business Plan. I’m actually feeling a little selfish having you all to myself since I’ve read your book and done the practices. So I’m just eager to jump into it. So why don’t you just start by telling us a little bit of the background of the concept of the Right-Brain Business Plan and then just let us know what you mean by that, too. How did you come to this? And what is the actual idea behind it?

JL: Sure. Well, the idea came to me very organically, given that it’s right-brained. [Laughs] So I was participating, back in November 2007, in this annual challenge called Art Everyday Month. It happens every November [and] it was my first time participating. And every day I would try some new art medium, like painting or drawing or collage. And toward the end of the month, we’re coming toward the end of the year and I thought, “Well, I probably should be thinking about my goals for the coming year. I need to do art anyway, so I why don’t I do a vision board, because I love doing that.”

So I love book arts and I have this blank accordion book that kind of folds out like this accordion. And I did a vision board of where I wanted my business to go in terms of products and services, marketing, stuff like that. And I posted it as part of a challenge and people were like, “That’s really cool!” And I just ended up calling it a Right-Brain Business Plan. I didn’t know what else to call it. It was my business plan but in a right-brained way. It became this touchstone for me for my business.

The following day I actually did a little bit more detail on the back of the Right-Brain Business Plan where I wrote out my specific financial goals. I wrote out descriptions of my products and services, marketing goals. I had a little calendar where I put some milestones, things that I wanted to reach throughout the next year. And that was really my roadmap for 2008 and part of 2009, and within a couple of years I had actually met all those goals that were on that plan.

I had no idea. I was just at my kitchen table, playing with my favorite art supplies. [Laughs] I had no idea it would turn into this thing. I feel like it’s something that lives outside of me. It’s kind of its own entity now, and it really is this visual, creative way to approach planning your business and crafting your goals for your business.

CP: What was your business? You said you were thinking about your business plan. Before it was this, what was it?

JL: I was coaching, so I was doing life coaching. I had quit my corporate job, I guess it was the year before, so 2006.

– 10: The Power of Transformational Learning and Development with Kathrin O’Sullivan

This episode’s guest is Kathrin O’Sullivan. Kathrin is the Head of Cross-Functional Leadership Development at Google.  She leads a team of people who help Googlers exercise leadership to transform themselves, Google, and the world.

In her career, she has enjoyed working in different leadership positions across HR, Sales, Operations, and Business Development. She strives to facilitate an environment to help people become more self aware and clear about their values and goals, and to design strategies and practices that lead to self-excellence. Kathrin was a featured presenter at the 2013 Emerging Women Live Conference in Boulder, CO.

In this episode, Kathrin and I speak about:

How she is able to help “Googlers” transform themselves into leaders.
What kind of practices they use at Google to foster development.
The vulnerability present in sharing your true self.
How Google is helping the advancement of current employees especially women in a male dominated field.
The definition of Unconscious Bias and how it plays a role in keeping women from rising in business
The potential reach of Google and social media, and the role they could play in changing the world.


Tune in to listen to my conversation “The Power of Transformational Learning and Development” with Kathrin O’Sullivan.
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Chantal Pierrat Hi, Kathrin! Welcome!

Kathrin O’Sullivan: Hi, Chantal!

CP: Thanks for setting the time aside. I know you’re a busy woman over there at Google.

KO: It’s a real pleasure to talk to you. I’m excited about this.

CP: Yay! So for those of you who are listening and were not at the event, Kathrin was part of our panel at the Emerging Women Live 2013 event in Boulder this past October. She was on a panel that was called “Game Changers” with other women in learning and organizational development at companies like Facebook and LinkedIn and Google and Twitter. So I wanted to highlight some of the things that came out in that conversation and explore some of those topics a little bit deeper. So maybe we could just launch in with a little short description of exactly what you do at Google.

KO: Well, I’m responsible for leadership development at Google. So I am helping Googlers exercise leadership to transform themselves, Google, and the world. That’s kind of our grand mission. And what that means is helping Googlers really own their leadership journey as they develop in their career and take bigger and bigger assignments and are more responsible for bigger scopes of business.

CP: So here’s my question with that. You know, Emerging Women, our tagline is “live the truth of who you are,” and it’s kind of a tall order, in general, just as a human being. I’m curious to see how much, when you say that you are responsible for developing programs that will encourage Googlers to transform themselves and their work, how deep does that go, when you say “transform themselves”?

KO: If we talk about real transformation, it goes pretty deep. We give people the choice. Some people might not want to choose to go any deeper than some transaction they’re learning. Other people are really open to going really deep and really looking hard at who they are as people and how they influence the world around them.

CP: Have you been doing a lot of these programs, and if you have, what kind of results have you noticed over time when you bring on programs that actually allow people to deep-dive inward and to self-reflect?

KO: We’ve really seen amazing results. I design and develop some of these programs and I also deliver some of them, so I’m actually in the classroom and I see it happen. A lot of what we do we do over time, and we follow up with people over time to see how the learning gets implemented in the workplace.

Of course, when it comes to more like “softer” skills, it is a little bit harder to exactly determine how it affects the bottom…

– 9: Native Genius: The Intersection of Competency and Shizzle with Kristen Wheeler

This episode’s guest is Kristen Wheeler. Kristen is a business consultant and executive coach who believes that workplaces should be arenas where people thrive while creating amazing results.

For more than twenty years, she has offered expert guidance on matters of IT, strategy, and leadership for clients like Arthur Andersen, comScore, WhiteWave Foods, and eBay. She has synthesized her unique blend of experience into strategies she calls Native Genius™. Native Genius Strategies help people and their companies understand, identify and apply an innate über-intelligence to solve tough issues and get bottom-line results, while also cultivating meaning and verve.

In this episode, Kristen and I spoke about:

Native Genius and how to cultivate this intelligence in your business life
How Native Genius gives ‘rise’ to our strengths
How to gain feedback from community and relationships to aid in your Native Genius intelligence
Embracing uncertainty and going where you feel loved
The difference between what you are passionate about and your Native Genius


Tune in to listen to my conversation “Native Genius” with the insightful: Kristen Wheeler.
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Chantal Pierrat: Welcome, Kristen.

Kristen Wheeler: Thank you! I’m excited to be here.

CP: Yay! It’s great to have you. For those of you who don’t know, Kristen is also one of my really, really good friends, on top of being a strategic advisor for Emerging Women. I’ve been incorporating her work, Native Genius, into my process with Emerging Women and it’s been fantastic and I’m noticing so much. I just so appreciate it.

What I was thinking was that before we start throwing Native Genius around—because once you hear the term and you get it, you actually do start throwing it around. So why don’t you just tell us what you mean by Native Genius. Give us a nice, full context and then we can go from there.

KW: Great. So Native Genius is a unique natural intelligence that is so innate that you might not notice it. And it sometimes is a little bit like a fish being in water—it comes so naturally that the fish would be like, “OK, yes, what else do you want me to do? This is not a big deal, this thing that I’m doing.” It feels easy, and it’s also super valuable to the people around us.

I want people to know that, just like their teeth—this is a silly example—they use them to chew, Native Genius you use in your work and you contribute in your world. Everybody has it, and once you tune into it—sometimes it takes a while to get. Everybody is on a different journey with understanding their unique intelligence. But once you get it, it clicks in and people are like, “Oh!” Sometimes I’ll be working with a group or an individual for a month or so, and then it starts to click in and they say, “Wow. I’m really starting to get the power of this.”

Some examples would be [like this]: I was working with somebody the other day [who] works [for] a corporation, and it was that “getting it” kind of thing. He said, “I’m realizing this is so personal.” And it really is. It’s very personal and intimate. And Native Genius are things that you do that you can’t not do.

For example, we could put you anywhere and you’d be doing them. Like for you, Chantal, I notice that no matter where we are, you are reflecting back to people, in a way, like what your tagline says, the truth of who they are. When people start saying what they’re up to in the world with their work, you are so excited about it, especially when it comes from a place of authenticity. And we can put you anywhere. I mean, I’ve seen you in so many different situations, and you’re doing that. That’s one of many things that you would do. So Native Genius is not just one thing. It’s many things.

CP: Let me just stop you there, because it’s interesting, what you started saying about Native Genius. You were saying it’s like being a fish in water.

– 8: Connection, Community, and the Feminine Voice with Ani DiFranco

This episode’s guest is the soulful and wonderful Ani DiFranco. With 20 years in the music biz, self-described “Little Folksinger” Ani DiFranco’s influence on fellow musicians, activists, and indie-minded people the world over has been huge.

Blending folk music with soul, funk, jazz, electronic music and spoken word, Ani DiFranco has released more than 20 albums, including her latest, ¿Which Side are You On? (2012). From the earliest days of her career, Ani DiFranco has lent her voice and her name to a broad range of social movements, performing benefit concerts, appearing on benefit albums, and speaking at rallies.  She’s a pioneer, a rock star, and a soul sister.  Ani was a featured performer at the 2013 Emerging Women Live Conference in Boulder, CO.

In this episode, Ani DiFranco and I speak about:

How having kids has grounded her life and effected her music in a positive way
Her support of community and connection and the importance of the feminine point of view
Her focus on the present moment and relationships in her life
The trajectory of feminism throughout the years and the current state of feminism today
The hope that we both feel in seeing the wave of Feminine Courage currently emerging in the world
And finally, the importance of trusting yourself


Tune in to listen to my conversation “Connection, Community, and the Feminine Voice” with Ani DiFranco.
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Chantal Pierrat: Welcome, Ani! It’s a real pleasure to have you here today.

Ani DiFranco: Hi! Thanks for having me!

CP: I was mentioning to you as we were chatting [that] this is such an honor. I feel kind of exposed by saying this, but I definitely had a very big girl crush on you in college.

AD: [Laughs] All right! I’m giving myself a high-five.

CP: [Laughs] Well, I’m not entirely sure that it’s gone away. I was preparing for the conference, for Emerging Women Live, and also our interview here, [and] I was just going, for the last week, back through all the old records. Oh my gosh.

AD: Oh, wow. Craziness. That’s something you’ll never find me doing. [Laughs]

CP: Oh, really? Interesting.

AD: It’s always a bit dicey when I want to learn a new old song, like, “I should play that song, blah-de-blah,” and then I have to pull out the record and tiptoe very delicately through it to try to listen to what I need to listen to. Anything could throw me for a week-long loop, delving back into my own catalog.

CP: Well, luckily it’s all there and we can dip into it anytime. What surprised me, though, was your recent record. It was amazing—this morning, when we had to reschedule, I was like, “I really have not spent time,” because I was getting so caught up in the old stuff. And there’s a song on there called “Life Boat,” and I do want to talk about the new record. I know it was last year, but I could not believe how deep and how touched I was by that song.

AD: Wow, cool.

CP: You know, you mention your child. I guess my lead-in question with that is—in fact, I was actually weeping as I was listening to the song, truth be told. It touched me that deeply. I’m curious to see how—you’re a rocker, sister, you’re a freaking cool rocker, and then you’ve had kids. Not that your music has changed tremendously. It’s still very moving. But I’m curious to see internally if there’s been a shift inside of you and the music to create since you’ve had kids.

AD: Yes, I’m sure, there’s been so many shifts. Life keeps knocking you one direction or another, and then you have a slightly new direction with every knock. Kids are a big one, I imagine. I think in a big sense, I have a kind of balance in my life how that I didn’t before my family. I used to just be all about my work. And bringing people joy through music is very rewarding.

I noticed that, especially now that I have kids and I get deep into mom mode, you know, when I’m home and I can’t even remember what it i…

– 6: Creative Curiosity: Discovering Wisdom in the Details of our Lives with Elizabeth Gilbert

This episode’s guest is Elizabeth Gilbert. Liz is the beloved author of 2006’s runaway bestseller Eat, Pray, Love, which has sold more than ten million copies worldwide. Eat, Pray, Love is Gilbert’s memoir of soul-searching and international exploration in the wake of her devastating divorce.

Committed, the follow-up to Eat, Pray, Love, tells the story of Gilbert’s unexpected plunge into second marriage—this time to Felipe, the man with whom she falls in love at the end of Eat, Pray, Love. Her Ted talk on creativity has over 5 million views, and she recently finished a novel, The Signature of All Things, to be published in October, 2013.

In this episode, Elizabeth Gilbert and I speak about:

The Signature of All Things
Connection: how she uses it in her writing and how it plays in her life
The wisdom of details and how they can help us see a bigger picture
How perfectionism holds women back from living their truth.
Curiosity and the Creative Process
How passion can hold us back

Tune in to listen to my conversation “Creative Curiosity” with Elizabeth Gilbert.
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Chantal Pierrat: Welcome Liz! I feel kind of funny calling you “Liz,” but I guess everybody around you calls you Liz. Is that OK?

Elizabeth Gilbert: If you call me “Elizabeth,” I’ll think that you’re my mother and you’re mad at me, so it’s probably best if you call me “Liz.” [Laughs] Everybody else does.

CP: OK! Well, I’m honored to be calling you “Liz,” and I’m honored to have you here on the Grace and Fire show, so welcome!

EG: Thank you so much, I’m delighted to be here! 

CP: Great. Well, there’s a lot of places that we’ll probably end up going today, but I wanted to start with your book since it’s sitting here right in my hands. You were so kind to send me an unproofed copy. I’ve had a chance to dig in a little bit, and I have to say, it’s kind of a page-turner.

EG: Oh, I’m so glad it’s making you turn the pages. That’s what I want. I want you to sprain your wrist turning pages with this book. [Laughs]

CP: Yes! I didn’t realize it. Since I knew we were having this call, I thought, “I want to get into this a little bit,” and it’s one of those books that’s starting to take over, and I have to be careful because, you know, Emerging Women’s already taking over, so I’m like, “OK, hang on here!”

EG: You’re going to fall down the rabbit hole!

CP: Yes, I’m definitely falling down the rabbit hole. But it’s interesting—I’ve not read your fiction. I’ve read, obviously, Eat, Pray, Love, which completely had such a big effect on me. And so I’m curious to hear a little bit more about how this process was for you, not really writing about yourself. In the last two books, you’ve been writing memoir style. How did this feel?

EG: Well, it felt like a homecoming. That would be the word that I would use, that popped into my mind. It’s true, you’re not the only person who hasn’t read my fiction! [Laughs] I started out as a writer of fiction many years ago, and the only thing I ever wanted to be my whole life, my only dream as a writer, was to write short stories and novels.

So my first book was a collection of short stories and my second book was a novel. I was well on that path, and then my life fell apart, as anybody who’s got $10 to buy a paperback of Eat, Pray, Love knows. And I ended up veering very sharply into this world of confessional memoirs that, of course, I do not regret having done at all. It’s been an extraordinary encounter with myself and with readers. It’s just been an amazing phenomenon.

And then after that came Committed, the follow-up, but 12 years had passed and I hadn’t written a word of fiction. And I just had that feeling that we get sometimes in our lives where I felt like, “If I drift any further away from this essential part of myself, I will never uncover it again. It’s time.”

And also,

– 5: Emerging into Being with Tami Simon

This episode’s guest is the inspirational and accomplished: Tami Simon. Tami Simon is the founder of Sounds True, a multimedia publishing company dedicated to disseminating spiritual wisdom.

Based in Boulder, Colorado, Sounds True has published more than 800 audio, video, music, and book titles along with online courses and events. A two-time winner of the Inc 500 award as one of the fastest growing privately held companies in America, Sounds True is widely recognized as a pioneer in providing life-changing, practical tools that accelerate spiritual awakening and personal transformation. This podcast is especially juicy, as Tami and I were emerging into a new phase of our relationship as my 10 year career at Sounds True came to a close.
In this episode, Tami Simon and I speak about:

Handling the everyday fear
“Everything depends on how much you trust”
Authenticity and its acceptance in society
Mentorship and the best way to mentor
The energy of tenacity and will and when to let go

Tune in to listen to my conversation “Emerging Into Being” with Tami Simon.

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Chantal Pierrat: Welcome, Tami. It’s really great to be here with you. I thought that we could start this podcast by doing a check-in. And I might take a few minutes to just explain what that is to our listeners. At Sounds True, you’ve developed a policy to connect people before a team meeting or before a meeting of any significance. We go around the room and we [each] take a minute to say something personal about the state that we’re in at the beginning of the meeting, what might be going on in our lives or in our business and work lives that would be particularly illuminating for the meeting.

It’s just a really nice way to drop in and connect to people before we actually have an exchange. So I wanted to do that check-in process, and I’ve missed the check-in process, because it’s been a few months now since I’ve been out of Sounds True and launching my own business. So it just feels so natural for me to start with that. I could start or you could start. How does that feel?

Tami Simon: Why don’t you start?

CP: OK. So I feel—and it’s good to get this out on the table—a little nervous. I feel that I’m showing my first poem to my favorite poet. I’m interviewing the interviewer, and it just feels like I’m navigating unknown waters here. I also feel so much gratitude to be here with you. I feel like you’ve really had such a big impact on my life, and to see our relationship go from me working with you intimately and working for you at Sounds True, and now here I am, I’m almost rubbing my hands together because I have you all to myself and I can ask you all these questions and we can do a deep dive. So I feel a lot of gratitude for that and my whole experience at Sounds True.

I think I also feel just genuinely happy. I feel like this whole trajectory and my history—everything that’s happened between me and you at Sounds True, working to build Sounds True to where it is, it’s just made such an impact on me, both personally and in a business setting. And I feel like this is a very big crescendo that will maybe also extend and have many, many more crescendos. It just feels very significant for me. And I’m happy to be here. [Pause] Usually we say, “Welcome.”

TS: Welcome, welcome. I noticed, when you said the possibility of doing a check-in, I suddenly felt tension in my stomach, and a sense of, “Oh, I’m going to be asked to come forward with how I’m actually feeling right now.” And I know that check-ins are the most powerful when people tell the most truth and go to the most depth of their being. And it’s one thing to check in with four or five people in a meeting, and it’s another thing to check in with a microphone and know that your check-in is being broadcast to God knows who for how long.

So I feel a little terror, or, “How much do I say?

– 4: The Real Meaning of Self-Compassion with Kristin Neff

This episode’s guest is the inspiring Kristin Neff. Kristin is a professor of human development and culture at the University of Texas, Austin, and she has practiced Buddhist Meditation since 1997.

Dr. Neff and her family were the subject of the recent book and documentary The Horse Boy, which documented her family’s adventure with autism. A self proclaimed “Self-Compassion Evangelist”, Kristin Neff is the world’s leading expert on self-compassion. In addition to authoring numerous academic articles on self-compassion, she has written a new book titled “Self-Compassion,” released by William Morrow in 2011.

In this episode, Kristin Neff and I speak about:

The real meaning of Self-Compassion and how it differs from Self-Esteem,
The masculine and feminine aspects of mindfulness and self-compassion,
The researched results of self-compassion and what the findings mean for leaders, and women leaders in particular,
How self-compassion takes us from recognition, to action, and the power creating a practice of self care and love,
And finally, Kristin offers sage advice for those women on the precipice of their own emergence.

Kristin Neff was a featured presenter at the 2013 Emerging Women Live Conference.

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– 3: The Keys to Feminine Power with Claire Zammit

This episode’s guest is the powerhouse Claire Zammit.  Claire is the co-creator of the Feminine Power training courses for women and co-leads a thriving learning community of hundreds of thousands of women throughout the world.

In this episode, Claire Zammit and I speak about:

“Feminine Power”
Living our truth through relationship and our greater connection to the whole
The best way to empower other women
How spirituality will change with the rise of feminine power
The feminine as the “Great Integrator”
Her latest honor through Inc. Magazine and her company Evolving Wisdom


Claire Zammit was a featured presenter at the 2013 Emerging Women Live Conference, October 10th-13th in Boulder, CO.

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Chantal Pierrat: Welcome, Claire!

Claire Zammit: Hi, Chantal. Great to be with you.

CP: I’m excited to be talking to you because I know that every time we get on the phone together, we end up talking about my favorite topic, which is feminine power.

CZ: Yes, absolutely.

CP: Well, maybe we should just jump in, and I know that’s the title of your upcoming book, and it’s the title of your work. I know you have a telecast and a workshop that does—I don’t know, how many thousands of people have listened to that workshop now?

CZ: We’ve been teaching a seven-week course on feminine power for the last four years, and we’ve had about seven thousand women participate in that, [and] hundreds of thousands more with our free events. It’s something that I’m really seeing as speaking to women’s experience at a very deep level. I think that’s what we connect with when we have our conversations. So I’m excited to be able to dive into it today, together.

CP: Well, why don’t we start by—it’s just interesting, “feminine” and “power.” They’re two very different energies, but together they totally make sense. And I’m just curious to see if you can start with defining what you mean by “feminine power.”

CZ: Well, I might just start, if I can, with a bit of a story that creates a little context for it. I think this exploration and discovery [really] came out of our own experience. My teaching partner Katherine Woodward Thomas and the women that we were serving in the community we had started in Los Angeles—we had a center for transformation, and we were coaching women and working with women.

And both of us were accomplished, successful women, as were the women we were serving. And we really noticed, in spite of having so much “power” in our lives, we both felt this very painful and confusing gap between the deeper potentials that we sensed for who we were as women, for the creative contribution, for the intimacy and connection of our relationships, and just for our overall experience of life. We couldn’t quite put our finger on what it was, and we found that women everywhere were having the same experience as us.

At the same time, we noticed that there was a yearning towards the feminine that was happening. We [said,] “This is really interesting. So why don’t we do a class so we can begin to explore what the feminine is?” And the first night of class, it was [really] interesting: We listed these feminine qualities up on the board, and these masculine qualities up on the board—just common assumptions about [the] feminine: flowing, intuitive, receptive, surrendered, nurturing. And typical masculine qualities like logical, linear, hard, angular, penetrating.

And we looked at these different energies and these different qualities, and what was noticed was that we were hungry, as a group, as women, to experience these more feminine qualities. We were very drawn, but there was a collective fear that if we allowed ourselves to be scented in these qualities, that there would be a loss of power. So there was [this idea that] we were drawn to power,

– 2: Playing Big – The Work of Our Time with Tara Sophia Mohr

This episode's guest is the formidable Tara Sophia Mohr, an expert on women’s leadership and well-being. Download now to hear Tara and I discuss:

Weaving spirituality practice in business
How we keep ourselves small and the importance of “Playing Big”
How to deal with criticism when stepping out and Playing Big
The words: Pahad and Yirah and how they can help us understand our fear
The value of mentorship

Tune in to listen to my conversation “Playing Big” with Tara Sophia Mohr.

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Chantal Pierrat: Well, Tara, welcome, and thank you for being here today.

Tara Mohr: Thank you, thank you so much for having me. 

CP: I’m so excited to have you today—half an hour or 45 minutes all to myself. I think I discovered you about a year ago or a year and a half ago. I’ve been getting your blogs and I read your poetry. And the thing that struck me the most was here was a woman who was diving into business, clearly very, very articulate and wise in the business world, but who was overtly—and I’m putting some emphasis on that because it’s unusual—spiritual. And I’m just so excited because it’s such a rare combination, and I would love to dig in a little bit more about your background and how that came to be and how you came to combine these two worlds that seemingly are very separate. So maybe we could just jump in there.

TM: Yes. I’d love to begin there. That’s certainly been a big part of my journey. I was raised in a fairly unique way, hopefully a way that’s becoming less unique. My mom was very much a spiritual seeker, and had a huge passion for psychology.

So our house was full of books from all different religious traditions, from the mystical side of all different religious traditions, and she was always busy reading them. She was up at 5 a.m. writing about spiritual topics, really just for her own journey. She raised me, every morning, at the breakfast table, asking me what did I dream the night before, and having me diagram my dreams out, the Jungian interpretation, on a yellow pad while I was having my oatmeal or my Cheerios or whatever it was at the time.

And truly, I can remember incidents like being teased on the playground in kindergarten and coming home, getting into the car [when] my mom picked me up and saying, “Mom, so-and-so teased me, and I really hate him.” And she would always say one of two things in that scenario. She would say, “Well, what do you think is going on for that person at home that would make them tease another kid?” Or she would say, “How do you think God looks at that person?”

So this was the milieu I was raised in, and it was particularly remarkable because it wasn’t attached to any organized religion. I grew up with this access to inner life and to spiritual concepts that I think children are ready for and can understand, but we often underestimate how much and how early they can understand [them]. So I would say that was one track that I was on from very early in life.

And yet, at the same time, my parents were [a] middle class, professional, Jewish family who really valued education, and [they] were saying to me, “You’re bright and you have a lot of potential and we expect you to work hard in school and do well in school.” And school was a world that felt like the opposite of all that stuff I was just talking about. Because, of course, at school, nobody was asking what God thought about any of the other kids. [Laughs] Nobody was thinking about what dreams meant.

School felt very hierarchical. I was always aware [of], “Oh, you can get a good grade or a bad grade.” And yet, my mom was saying every child was divine and special. So those things were at odds. In school, we would learn about, “This war happened because this country disagreed with this guy,” and no one was looking at the inner side of anything.

So for much of [my] life, I would say these two different domains felt very distin…

– 1: Creative Intimacy and the Merging of Yin and Yang with Alanis Morissette

In this episode the amazing powerhouse Alanis Morissette and I talk about:

Strength with Femininity and balancing the Yin/Yang or Masculine and Feminine essence
The effect of success on the creative process
How anger can actually build intimacy in relationship
And finally, Alanis gives her one piece of advice for women who are on the precipice of their own Emergence.


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Chantal Pierrat: You’re listening to Grace and Fire, brought to you by Emerging Women. In today’s episode, Alanis and I spoke about vulnerability, strength, and femininity; and balancing the yin yang or masculine and feminine essence; the effect of success on the creative process; how anger can actually build intimacy in relationship; and finally, Alanis gives her one piece of advice for women who are on the precipice of their own emergence. Here is my conversation, “Creative Intimacy and the Merging of Yin and Yang” with the amazing and talented Alanis Morissette.

OK, welcome, Alanis.

Alanis Morissette: Thank you for having me.

CP: This is such an honor. I just want to lay all my cards out on the table here. [Laughs] I’m feeling a little star struck, and I’m usually a pretty cool cat, I can hold my own, but at this point I’m feeling incredibly vulnerable.

AM: Oh!

CP: You’ve just had such an impact on my life, especially as a young woman, and I just want to get it out there and let you know that. I think I’m speaking for every one of our listeners that were born in this time that were influenced by Jagged Little Pill and your other albums—and I want to get into that a little bit, your new album. So there it is. It’s out on the table. So if I fumble—

AM: [Laughs] And you’re still alive and you’re still safe and everything’s still OK.

CP: I’m still OK! That’s right!

AM: That’s so sweet, thank you.

CP: Well, I thought I’d try and level the playing field a little bit and go in super deep on our first question, and hopefully that will the OK.

AM: Yeah, go for the jugular, I live for that. [Laughs]

CP: [Laughs] Great! So, with regards to vulnerability, when do you feel the most vulnerable? When do you feel the most naked?

AM: I feel the most vulnerable with my husband, probably. I’m a big Harville Hendrix, Helen LaKelly Hunt, Imago therapy model fan, so I just really see that the degree of commitment and intimacy is commensurate to the degree of healing available. So for me, there’s no bigger commitment than marriage. Definitely motherhood, too, is a near second for obvious reasons.

But the commitment of marriage is really vulnerable and really intentional, so there’s the great vulnerability of coming together in that three-phase process, in theory. There’s the infatuation that brings us together, all the chemistry and the animal stuff, and then there’s that disillusionment that turns into that power struggle and conflict. And in the theory, we could segue into this third phase where we actually help heal each other’s wounds and pull each other out of this survival strategy that helped us survive as kids into this wholeness. That’s the theory of it, and now I’m actually experiencing it in practice, which is incredibly vulnerable.

And then there’s also a whole other chapter about deepening my vulnerability with my girlfriends, and just letting intimacy be the terrorizing thing that it can be, but also the beautifully healing thing that it can be. And there’s a great quote—the other day, my friend said, “The soul is shy.” [Laughs] That’s such a sweet way of putting it. So those two worlds are the most vulnerable for me: friendship and marriage.

CP: Right. There’s so much there. So I want to start digging into that relationship piece. As emerging women and as this whole emerging women movement,